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Old 07-19-2017, 07:40 PM
 
Location: NC
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looks like the best score yet, my subsidy would lower the most with this, certainly more than it would with the other plans.
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Old 07-19-2017, 07:46 PM
 
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Cost of services is the major problem preventing Obamacare or any republican replacement from working. No one from either party wants to address that. As long as basic services are as expensive as they are the healthcare crises will continue.

I have also stated I believe a special independent group should be established to determine what our options are, single payer vs market based or the possibility of reforming Obamacare. I am a conservative and I would support this, i don't see why dems would not be open to this as well. Experts on the healthcare system could do a better job of analyzing the options and getting the American people the best bang for the buck on healthcare. If these healthcare experts recommended single payer then this conservative would accept that conclusion, however I don't trust the crooked politicians from either party at this point. Would you liberals be willing to let an independent commission determine the best course of action? Would you accept market based if it was determined to be most cost effective? I think several posters in this thread are so enthralled with fighting the "old white men"", and thier disdain for capitalism that they can only see political battle leaving little opening for any kind of reason or compromise.
I have half a dozen posts on this site where i suggest a panel from various neutral countries, come in and redraw our districts to end gerrymandering. and a bipartisan group experts, politicians along with a group of foreign experts work together to find a way fix obamacare and turn into something close to universal care.

My issue was with your blaming the Dems, they do a lot of stupid stuff, but healthcare is the one place they shine, they really do want to make a system that truly for everyone. It was the GOP that broke ACA and blocked obama from making any improvements because the last thing they wanted was for it to work and become impossible to take away.

The plan of Obamacare can work, it needs only the support of the ruling party to be a great success. yes it has problems, but most of those come from mistakes made in the beginning that Mitch would not let Obama fix without repealing the whole thing.
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Old 07-19-2017, 11:18 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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I need better and more affordable healthcare. I don't need insurance.
Of course you need health insurance. Don't be daft.
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Old 07-19-2017, 11:19 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Also, has anyone pointed out to cons that the point of the healthcare reform is to provide MORE people with access to quality affordable healthcare, not fewer? It seems they have this wrong.
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Old 07-19-2017, 11:36 PM
 
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Also, has anyone pointed out to cons that the point of the healthcare reform is to provide MORE people with access to quality affordable healthcare, not fewer? It seems they have this wrong.
They just don't care as long as they have it for themselves. Everyone else can die as far as they're concerned.
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Old 07-20-2017, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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I guess the country will go down the crappy with your attitude about snowflakes. The old men are the entrenched politicians who will not place the good of the country before their part loyalty. As for your worship of free market, dream on. Free market healthcare will only mean even more profit for big pharma and hugely inequity in healthcare for the masses.

Old men need to move to the country and let the younger generation move the country forward.
You want the country turned over to liberal millenials while people like me are put out to pasture???
Your dreaming if you think that is going to happen, judging by the rioting after the election your generation still has some growing up to do before it's ready to run the nation. Gen X and boomer leaders will be running the nation for years to come yet, as it should be. Letting the younger generation "move the nation forward" as you say means turning to more socialism and PC which the nation ( we old white guys) has rejected. Letting millenials take the reigns of power would be a bit like letting the inmates run the nut house. We are in big trouble in the future when that generation does take power, oh my what a terrible thought.
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Old 07-20-2017, 05:29 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Man, Republicans need to go back to middle school, no forget that, elementary school. Almost like they never graduated pre-school.
Sigh, They know math or employ people who do. A few here are willing to say it but people in congress wont.
If you cannot afford health insurance, you do not deserve it. Your economic outputs do not warrant you receiving it. The poor are mostly losers anyway. If some die, shrug.
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Old 07-20-2017, 05:32 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Of course you need health insurance. Don't be daft.
Unsure if Bent is one, but Im pretty sure we have a few posters here who COULD pay a 750K bill.
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