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Old 07-19-2017, 03:44 PM
 
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Would cut the deficit, but:

17 million more uninsured by 2018
27 million more uninsured by 2020
32 million more uninsured by 2032

Plans in the individual market increase 25% by 2018
-increases by 50% by 2020
-doubles in price by 2026

Also, half of the nation's population would live in areas where non-group insurance would not be available by 2020, with the number rising to 75% by 2026.

Is there any doubt why it can't get a majority of support either in public polls or the Senate?

You can only do so much t*rd polishing.


https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52939
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Old 07-19-2017, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Man, Republicans need to go back to middle school, no forget that, elementary school. Almost like they never graduated pre-school.
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Old 07-19-2017, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Bureaucat View Post
Would cut the deficit, but:

17 million more uninsured by 2018
27 million more uninsured by 2020
32 million more uninsured by 2032

Plans in the individual market increase 25% by 2018
-increases by 50% by 2020
-doubles in price by 2026

Also, half of the nation's population would live in areas where non-group insurance would not be available by 2020, with the number rising to 75% by 2026.

Is there any doubt why it can't get a majority of support either in public polls or the Senate?

You can only do so much t*rd polishing.


https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52939
Thank goodness there were some clear headed reps in GOP. Sadly 90% of them were supporting it for partisan reasons.
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Old 07-19-2017, 03:58 PM
 
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Oops, sorry OP. Didn't see your post before I started mine.
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Old 07-19-2017, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Democrats have also failed miserably with Obamacare, our premiums go up every year. This partisan crap ain't gonna get anything fixed anyhow. What is really going on here? No one wants to ask why an MRI cost double in the USA than it does in other nations. Why is our healthcare so expensive compared to every other nation on earth? Whether the plan is market based or socialist is not the big issue, both models could be made to work if competent people crafted the plan. The problem is corruption, drug companies bilking the people, lawyers feeding off the system through malpractice laws etc. politicians of both parties are largely lawyers by trade, they are personally invested in drug companies, law firms, and insurance companies. They are corrupt and interested in thier own enrichment, both parties. They are all fine with average Americans being uninsured and broke from high cost as long as it benifits them.

What should be done is a panel of experts from inside and outside our nation should independently create options that would include reforming Obamacare, single payer, capitalist market driven etc. These options could be released and publically debated. At that point the options could be submitted for congressional approval. The politicians are not qualified to create the plans, nor are they capable. An independent body of industry and health experts would do a far better job. I am disgusted with the results both parties have put forth.
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Old 07-19-2017, 04:14 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by Bureaucat View Post
Would cut the deficit, but:

17 million more uninsured by 2018
27 million more uninsured by 2020
32 million more uninsured by 2032

Plans in the individual market increase 25% by 2018
-increases by 50% by 2020
-doubles in price by 2026

Also, half of the nation's population would live in areas where non-group insurance would not be available by 2020, with the number rising to 75% by 2026.

Is there any doubt why it can't get a majority of support either in public polls or the Senate?

You can only do so much t*rd polishing.


https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52939

I find it funny to be scored by number of uninsured....
That is being dishonest with the American people.

The CBO was so far off with Obamacare itself. How about cost to the taxpayer? How much national debt and deficit does it create or alleviate?


I need better and more affordable healthcare. I don't need insurance.
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Old 07-19-2017, 04:15 PM
 
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Democrats have also failed miserably with Obamacare, our premiums go up every year. This partisan crap ain't gonna get anything fixed anyhow. What is really going on here? No one wants to ask why an MRI cost double in the USA than it does in other nations. Why is our healthcare so expensive compared to every other nation on earth? Whether the plan is market based or socialist is not the big issue, both models could be made to work if competent people crafted the plan. The problem is corruption, drug companies bilking the people, lawyers feeding off the system through malpractice laws etc. politicians of both parties are largely lawyers by trade, they are personally invested in drug companies, law firms, and insurance companies. They are corrupt and interested in thier own enrichment, both parties. They are all fine with average Americans being uninsured and broke from high cost as long as it benifits them.

What should be done is a panel of experts from inside and outside our nation should independently create options that would include reforming Obamacare, single payer, capitalist market driven etc. These options could be released and publically debated. At that point the options could be submitted for congressional approval. The politicians are not qualified to create the plans, nor are they capable. An independent body of industry and health experts would do a far better job. I am disgusted with the results both parties have put forth.
Yes, clearly the GOP has nothing but crap after 7 whole years of promises and complaining. Obamacare has lots of problems, but instead of bragging about how big their collective old white penis is, the republicans need to pull up their pants and sit down and work with the democrats to fix and revise Obamacare. Clearly they can't come up with a better one so they need to work with the one we have and make it better, and the only way is bipartisanship and compromise. These old white men in the GOP really need to grow up and do what's right.
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Old 07-19-2017, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Little Rock, AR
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Yes, clearly the GOP has nothing but crap after 7 whole years of promises and complaining. Obamacare has lots of problems, but instead of bragging about how big their collective old white penis is, the republicans need to pull up their pants and sit down and work with the democrats to fix and revise Obamacare. Clearly they can't come up with a better one so they need to work with the one we have and make it better, and the only way is bipartisanship and compromise. These old white men in the GOP really need to grow up and do what's right.
At least you admit Obamacare is crap. What's crazy is, most people would love to see a bipartisan healthcare bill. Yet Congress is only interested in partisan games instead of improving the lives of its citizens.

Why hasnt anyone from the right asked Joe Manchin and the other middle American democratic senators what it would take to earn their vote??
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Old 07-19-2017, 04:25 PM
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Location: Noth Caccalacca
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I'd like to see a study comparing physician salaries here in the US, vs Canada and Europe. Also a study comparing hospital administrator salaries and a long list of medical procedures might be enlightening!
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Old 07-19-2017, 04:33 PM
 
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Interesting comment from another R senator on the bill's prospects.

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"I don’t think there are 40 votes to repeal and say to the American people, ‘Well, trust us to come up with something in the next couple of years.’ I don’t think that’s a good idea.”

— Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN), quoted by CNN., on the proposed “clean” repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
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