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Old 07-20-2017, 09:17 AM
 
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As I stated, my family wasn't here either. American debt simply means taxpayer money. You know that.
It could mean taxpayer money, but what it should mean is taking money out of resources this nation has. How about taking money out of the military budget? How about taking money out of different budgets that fund completely useless tasks? How about printing money? The Federal Reserve print money like nobody's business, and they certainly treat it that way. We can take the money out of all these different resources, and put it into reparations.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:19 AM
 
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Rome doesn't exist today, and lives aren't effected today by what Rome did over 2,000 years ago.
Actually the Roman Empire lasted until the middle ages.

And you are 100% incorrect. Our lives are hugely affected by the events in Rome 2000 years ago and for many centuries afterwards. Our language, our culture, our laws, our religion, almost everything involved in Western Civilization had it's roots there and in Greece.

Slavery was common and codified in most governments until ~150 years ago. It lasted 1000s of years and affected every demographic. Yet it's only 21st century African Americans who claim some sort of special privilege because of it.

i.e. Silly nonsense. And it's not gonna happen.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Gainesville, FL
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It could mean taxpayer money, but what it should mean is taking money out of resources this nation has. How about taking money out of the military budget? How about taking money out of different budgets that fund completely useless tasks? How about printing money? The Federal Reserve print money like nobody's business, and they certainly treat it that way. We can take the money out of all these different resources, and put it into reparations.
All of those things are theoretically taxpayer money or in the Fed's case taxpayer resource inflation which is just taxpayer money with extra steps.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:28 AM
 
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100s of 1000s of Whites died fighting in war that ended slavery. Their descendants deserve reparations too, if the country goes down this ridiculous path.

All kinds of legal arguments can be made once that cat is let out of the bag.

One could make the legal argument that descendants of former slave owners are owed reparations too since the US Government seized their 100% legal means to earn a living. Their rights, as defined by the Constitution at that time, were denied.

i.e. Reparation talk is nonsense.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:33 AM
 
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Actually the Roman Empire lasted until the middle ages.

And you are 100% incorrect. Our lives are hugely affected by the events in Rome 2000 years ago and for many centuries afterwards. Our language, our culture, our laws, our religion, almost everything involved in Western Civilization had it's roots there and in Greece.

Slavery was common and codified in most governments until ~150 years ago. It lasted 1000s of years and affected every demographic. Yet it's only 21st century African Americans who claim some sort of special privilege because of it.

i.e. Silly nonsense. And it's not gonna happen.
Is Rome still holding anyone back today? Has Rome made anyone an underclass and keeping them there today? Black people can make a claim for capital and resources due to it's treatment in a country that exists today. A country that was largely built on it's back, and still is reaping the benefits of keeping us locked out.

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All of those things are theoretically taxpayer money or in the Fed's case taxpayer resource inflation which is just taxpayer money with extra steps.
I have to disagree a bit, but I will say black people pay taxes to. The government has done things for it's citizens to build the middle class we see today, except again black people were locked out from benefiting. Today wealth is calcifying as profits go up but wages remaining the same. This is a different America then it was back in the day. So when will the black tax payers money be used to help Black America? We are at the bottom of the barrel not by own fault, and we can't get anything done for us? I guarantee you if white people had the net worth black people have today (which is almost no net worth at all), the government would be bending over backwards to do everything it could to correct that.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:36 AM
 
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100s of 1000s of Whites died fighting in war that ended slavery. Their descendants deserve reparations too, if the country goes down this ridiculous path.

All kinds of legal arguments can be made once that cat is let out of the bag.

One could make the legal argument that descendants of former slave owners are owed reparations too since the US Government seized their 100% legal means to earn a living. Their rights, as defined by the Constitution at that time, were denied.

i.e. Reparation talk is nonsense.
Former slave owners did receive reparations.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Nothing like biting the hand that has been feeding you for decades. Looks like Democrats will not be happy until they have totally destroyed this country. I hope they can be stopped from doing so.
Huh?

Love how people will talk about anything other than what the OP is actually addressing - the ease with which this candidate expresses his contempt for black Americans.

Oh, well. I guess it is better to know how people really feel than not.
Also better to know for whom this is either not an issue or is a selling point.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Gainesville, FL
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Is Rome still holding anyone back today? Has Rome made anyone an underclass and keeping them there today? Black people can make a claim for capital and resources due to it's treatment in a country that exists today. A country that was largely built on it's back, and still is reaping the benefits of keeping us locked out.
You are making a distinction related to this abstract thing we call a "country" that shouldn't matter. i.e. if there were french slave owners in Louisiana prior to the Louisiana purchase somehow "America" now owes them reparations? Why not France? Britain is still around, why aren't they on the hook for the reparations for their colony's slaves?

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I guarantee you if white people had the net worth black people have today (which is almost no net worth at all), the government would be bending over backwards to do everything it could to correct that.
So you're saying poor white people don't exist? The accusations from democrats is that those are the very people that elected Trump. Do they exist or was that something else Russia hacked?
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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It could mean taxpayer money, but what it should mean is taking money out of resources this nation has. How about taking money out of the military budget? How about taking money out of different budgets that fund completely useless tasks? How about printing money? The Federal Reserve print money like nobody's business, and they certainly treat it that way. We can take the money out of all these different resources, and put it into reparations.
All of those resources are funded by the taxpayer.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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This is a post that OldHag1 left some time ago in a thread about reparations. I found it an interesting take.

Whats A Good Argument Against Reparation?

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Reparations? My father was educated for free by the US Army, he rose in the ranks and had enjoyed a good retirement prior to his death. I received scholarships and have amassed multiple degrees. The US Army paid for my husband's degrees, he rose in the ranks, receives a nice retirement, and is currently enjoying a career in the private sector. All four of my children recieved higher education totally free of charge, and even received spending money in the form of stipends. One is in the military like his father and grandfather, one is still in school, one is teaching at a major university, and one is a stay-at-home mom. I find it very hard to believe our lives would have been so nice if we lived in Africa. Slavery was horrible and among America's most shameful chapters, but if I am being honest, my life is better because of my ancestors' misfortune. All that free education and opportunities we have been given have been America's attempt at reparations, it just isn't handed out in the form of a check is all. If your arguement is that not everyone recieves it, not every white person benifitted from slavery either.

Were there any former slaves still alive today I would agree THEY should get direct monetary reparations.

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