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Old 07-20-2017, 02:47 PM
 
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Definitely there, but that was the effect, not the cause.
I honestly think those people were held in contempt by the democratic party. they felt it and they reacted.
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Old 07-20-2017, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Prescott Arizona
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The Dems didn't lose the white blue collar vote. They have lost the white male vote in general, which makes up all but a small percentage of the white blue collar vote.

White men in high income white collar jobs swung for Trump just as big as white men working blue collar jobs. People don't realize this because the polls focus more on education levels than income or job types. The MSN likes to point out that while trump still won the educated white vote, he didn't carry it the way he did with non-college graduate white workers. What people fail to realize is that there are LOTS of white men in management positions, sales, or other high paying white collar jobs with only a HS diploma or an associates degree that vote heavily republican. There are also LOTS of white men with a useless 4 year degree serving coffee, working in retail or other entry level low paying jobs that heavily vote Democratic.

At the end of the day, The only white men that didn't go for trump were homosexuals, and those working in a few niche fields like education, social work or the arts. The Democratic party doesn't have a problem with blue collar workers, it has a problem with white men.
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Old 07-20-2017, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Austin
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From what I read, white blue collar voters who voted for Obama twice suddenly turned racist in 2016.

The voters' obvious racial hatred has to be the reason they left the Democrats in 2016 and why the Progressive Democrat leadership is doubling down and continuing to call anyone who disagrees with them or their policies racist.
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Old 07-20-2017, 03:04 PM
 
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Trump didn't broaden the GOP coalition. He narrowcasted, depending of the demographic groups that are the long standing core base of the GOP. He managed to win a high percentage and achieve a high turnout of white blue collar and white evangelicals. But neither group is growing, so his strategy has a limited shelf life.

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Old 07-20-2017, 10:04 PM
 
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The Democratic nominee was Hillary Clinton



What did they expect?
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Old 07-20-2017, 10:07 PM
 
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Identity politics?
Although Michael Moore didn't endorse Trump like the video below says, he did effectively answer your question:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqZpJkC6gqQ
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Old 07-20-2017, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Because, with NAFTA, Bill Clinton sold the Democratic Party to Wall Street.
You can't side with both capital and labor at the same time.


True, but you can't side with the donor class and the mooches while siding with the working Americans who pay the bills either, so signing NAFTA and the 2000 China Trade Act was just icing on the cake for Bill and his internationalist friends who want to keep US wages as low as possible.
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Old 07-20-2017, 10:20 PM
 
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Blue collar whites were never liberal, they were labor. Republicans killed organized labor and there's no shop foreman to tell the bigots to vote Dem.
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Old 07-20-2017, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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I'm thinking because Dem's treat them as adults and thought they could use reason to understand the issues they face in an ever more connected world, whereas GOP lie to them and tell them everything's gonna go back to the way it was as long as they give tax cuts to billionaires and keep the gays from getting married.
Nonsense! Most blue-collar jobs involve the production and/or handling and distribution of useful things people actually want to buy. The best of them involve large amount of capital invested per employee -- sectors like oil, chemicals, utilities and railroads. and a high level of safety-consciousness. -- as opposed to fancy hand-holding and coddling, or unnecessary personal service which sometimes degrades both the producer and the recipient.

When a productive bread-winner, be (s)he of any race or ethnicity, is denied meaningful work and steered toward degrading service jobs, (s)he can usually tell the difference. But this is exactly what the Clinton-Obama coalition has in mind in the gutted, Mexican-modeled sham economy they're trying to create in California.
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Old 07-21-2017, 05:30 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million votes. There were blue collar votes in there somewhere.
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