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Old 07-26-2017, 10:31 AM
 
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Writing a check does not equal fatherhood.
No? Why are they forced to 'write a check?' Why do courts compel that action?
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:36 AM
 
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THIS^^.

What if males who WANTED the child were allowed (legally) to force the female to go to term, when she wanted to terminate?

There'd be a massive hue and cry, feminists would go insane if this were so.

Neither sex should have the right to force parenthood upon the other. Neither.

Or conversely, and more fairly, BOTH sexes given the right to force parenthood on the other if one allows forcing to happen at all.


If a female chooses to bear the child the male should be exempted if he did not consent to the possibility of pregnancy prior to the sexual act.

Males are beholden to USE birth control/get vasectomies if they want to avoid fatherhood, and they SHOULD; trusting the female who "says" she is on b/c is foolhardy and irrersponsible of the male.

But once a pregnancy is in place, the male's rights are then 100% in the female's hands. How is that remotely OK?
It's not OK. And even in the event responsible males use contraception, there is no contraception method that is 100% effective.

I'm with you... Either each can choose to terminate the pregnancy or, conversely, force parenthood, or neither can.

Now listen to the feminazis howl and complain on cue.
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:41 AM
 
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It's not OK. And even in the event responsible males use contraception, there is no contraception method that is 100% effective.

I'm with you... Either each can choose to terminate the pregnancy or, conversely, force parenthood, or neither can.

Now listen to the feminazis howl and complain on cue.


Howl and complain about....what? What you are describing is not the law or the reality. Do you understand that? I'm starting to wonder.
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:46 AM
 
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Howl and complain about....what? What you are describing is not the law or the reality. Do you understand that? I'm starting to wonder.
Alas it is not reality, it is my fantasy world wherein all kinds of other non pc things happen.

That it is not realistic doesn't mean it isn't how it ought to be.

it's unrealistic that transplant surgeons, firefighters and foster parents will be paid what rap artists, sports figures and models are paid. But it is still how I feel it ought to be.

#inmydreams
#bidirectionalequalityinreproduction

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Old 07-26-2017, 10:54 AM
 
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Howl and complain about....what? What you are describing is not the law or the reality.
Why not? Otherwise, it's nothing more than sex-based discrimination, which is illegal. Women can choose but men cannot? That's sex discrimination. Plain and simple.
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:57 AM
 
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It's a complex situation to be sure, but I think the way we handle abortion rights and the confounding issue of financial support is the best possible of all options.
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Old 07-26-2017, 11:27 AM
 
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Why not? Otherwise, it's nothing more than sex-based discrimination, which is illegal. Women can choose but men cannot? That's sex discrimination. Plain and simple.


What are you howling and complaining about again? Why don't men just gestate/birth their own babies?
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Old 07-26-2017, 11:39 AM
 
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What are you howling and complaining about again? Why don't men just gestate/birth their own babies?
Why can't men, like women, just choose to opt out of any parental and/or financial obligation for any life created from an act of mutual consent?
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Old 07-26-2017, 11:45 AM
 
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When you ask your elected officials this question and lobby them to enable children to grow up without the financial support of their fathers, what do they say? Just curious. Surely since you are so passionate about this topic you lobby for it and not just whine and complain on the internet ad nauseum, right?
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Old 07-26-2017, 11:48 AM
 
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When you ask your elected officials this question and lobby them to enable children to grow up without the financial support of their fathers, what do they say?
They're afraid of the feminazis that insist on giving women a choice but denying that same option to men.
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