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All you have to do is figure out a way that a woman doesn't have to carry the pregnancy and you're home-free from financial responsibility. Until that happens, bodily autonomy still applies.
Yes, women can choose to carry the pregnancy to term. BUT, they shouldn't be able to force parenthood and the subsequent financial responsibility on men against their will, just as men cannot force women to carry a pregnancy to term against their will.
Anti-abortionists don't really see it as murder - otherwise they'd be pushing to have the mother charged with murder.
You're wrong. I believe abortion is murder but charging the mother or the doctor performing said abortion is a legal action. The law says abortion is not murder so how could anyone be charged? Morally I believe it is murder but I can't ask that they charge someone based on my morals. They can only be charged as the law sees fit so why would we call for having the mother charged with murder when the law doesn't consider abortion murder? I do but the law doesn't. Until the law is changed no one can call for anyone to be charged so not asking that the mother be charged with murder (actually it would be conspiracy to commit murder since she's not actually performing the killing but rather paying someone else to do the killing) does not show that we don't consider it murder. It shows we know the difference between what is morally murder and legally allowable.
That's no excuse for giving women a choice that men do not have.
No one can force parenthood and the subsequent financial responsibility on women, but women can force it on men. That's GROSSLY inequitable. Either should have the choice, not just women.
If that is grossly inequitable and you want equality in this matter you must first fix the biological inequity. Men deposit sperm, the end. Women incubate, play host to a parasite in doing so take on all the risks and sacrifices to bring it to fruition. This is anything from stretch marks, hemorrhoids, indigestion, saggy boobs, bladder leakage, high blood pressure, diabetes, hyperemesis gravidarum, preeclampsia, miscarriage, all sorts of fetal problems and even death. Then there are things like medical bills, lost wages, lost job, social stigma, breast feeding, daycare, car seats........................
So yes women now have a choice to do this or abort. Men do not have equality in pregnancy, birth or parenting obligations so until you can make biology equitable, no they should not have equal choice in pregnancy, birth of parenting.
Exactly!
That's why BOTH sexes should have EITHER the right to BOTH opt out or BOTH have the right to force the pg to go to term. That one sex can make a unilateral decision either way, is so obviously unfair I am a tad astounded it isn't something folks are upset about and trying to correct (law-wise).
Because most people understand the difference in pregnancy and an actual born child. Most people understand what biological role male and female have in pregnancy.
Biology is not fair, at all, but it is what we must abide by.
Women can not play football or be on mens sport teams due to the unfair biology. Women can not hold front line combat positions due to biology. Women can not successfully pee standing up due to biology. Men can not incubate and carry to term a pregnancy or breast feed a baby due to biology.
It blows when the chick you've been banging gets knocked up but the courts are concerned with the welfare of the child and contends both involved in sexual conduct have responsibilities for their actions the courts are not concerned with whats fair for either parent or who got to make the decision to abort or continue a pregnancy.
If that is grossly inequitable and you want equality in this matter you must first fix the biological inequity. Men deposit sperm, the end.
If only that were true. But it isn't. Millions of men are saddled with 18+ years of child support payments (and payment for a college education is frequently stipulated, as well) for children they did not want.
If a woman can choose to opt out of a pregnancy, men should be able to as well. If a woman can force a man into 18+ years of responsibility for an unwanted child, then men should be able to force women into that, as well.
If only that were true. But it isn't. Millions of men are saddled with 18+ years of child support payments (and payment for a college education is frequently stipulated, as well) for children they did not want.
If a woman can choose to opt out of a pregnancy, men should be able to as well. If a woman can force a man into 18+ years of responsibility for an unwanted child, then men should be able to force women into that, as well.
Ah, and your husband is one of them? I think I get it now.
Anyway, boo hoo that biology isn't fair. Take it up with Mother Nature.
If only that were true. But it isn't. Millions of men are saddled with 18+ years of child support payments (and payment for a college education is frequently stipulated, as well) for children they did not want.
If a woman can choose to opt out of a pregnancy, men should be able to as well. If a woman can force a man into 18+ years of responsibility for an unwanted child, then men should be able to force women into that, as well.
Well that's your opinion, I get it.
You keep parroting YOUR OPINION without any supporting facts or even acknowledging anyone else facts.
Men are not pregnant therefore they can not opt out of pregnancy.
Women do not force men into 18 years of responsibility for their own child, the courts do.
For as many men who are paying for a child they didnt want there are men who arent paying for a child they did want.
As I said the courts concern is for a child already born. Not the father, not the mother. The courts contend both are responsible for their actions, thus both are financially responsible for the child produced of their actions.
To avoid this responsibility, one, dont bang chicks you dont know, dont trust or dont want to have a child with; two, use birth control, dont have vaginal sex or practice celebrity.
Is it that hard?
Most child support payments are a product of divorce or LTR in which the child was wanted or at least not unwanted. So your talking a very small fraction of men saddled with child support payments (and actually paying them) as a result of irresponsible casual sex with little more than an acquaintance who chose not to abort.
Your constant whining about men not having to take any responsibility for their actions because women do have a choice to abort is just another reason abortion is not black and white.
Pro-life folks expect a woman to carry a pregnancy to term regardless but you dont hear them demanding the sperm donor support the pregnancy or resulting child. Perhaps if more men were willing to accept their responsibility less women would seek abortions.
Ah, and your husband is one of them? I think I get it now.
No, we raised two wanted children together. Neither of us had any other offspring.
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Anyway, boo hoo that biology isn't fair. Take it up with Mother Nature.
Give that advice to women. They're the ones who want to make it even more unfair by either forcing unwanted responsibilities on men, while retaining the right to opt out only to themselves, or denying a wanted child to its father by killing it in utero.
No, we raised two wanted children together. Neither of us had any other offspring.
Give that advice to women. They're the ones who want to make it even more unfair by either forcing unwanted responsibilities on men, while retaining the right to opt out only to themselves, or denying a wanted child to its father by killing it in utero.
Aren't you a woman? So, you do this too even though you scream about it all day on the internet? How odd.
Well that's your opinion, I get it.
You keep parroting YOUR OPINION without any supporting facts or even acknowledging anyone else facts.
Facts? Here are the facts:
Women can choose to abort or carry to term and force the father to pay for 18+ years against his will.
Men? Have no choice either way.
What would be fair is if men could force women to either abort or carry to term, just like women can force the in utero killing of a man's child or 18+ years of child support payments against his will.
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