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Old 07-28-2017, 10:29 AM
 
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I covered this in Post #723. I'll bold the key sentence



Trump isn't someone that we never knew would pull this until Monday. The BSA KNEW he COULD do that and invited him regardless. Sure they would face Fox News like Disney did when they wouldn't confirm Trump would speak in the new Hall of Presidents production, but it would avoid this PR nightmare. As I've stated before numerous times in this thread, Trump is the worst example for these boys and young men to listen to and strive to be because he don't follow the Scout Oath and Law.
The BSA is not Disney, and if you've had the association with Scouting that you claim, you ought to fully understand this.


The POTUS has been the honorary president of the BSA since Teddy Roosevelt. The POTUS has a standing invitation to address whatever Scout event he wants to.


There was no way the BSA could pre-emptively revoke that standing invitation to their honorary president without diving deeply into partisan waters. It would clearly have been an overtly political act that nobody could deny.


The BSA could not deny the POTUS any more than the American Legion or the VFW can.
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Old 07-28-2017, 10:35 AM
 
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I bet the Boy Scouts have earned more badges in tying and untying knots in the last few days than in a year. The adults have tied themselves in knots trying to bash the President and its up to the Boy Scouts to save them.
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:23 AM
 
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Here is an excellent response penned by a young man who became an Eagle Scout in 2015. Worthy of a read.

An Eagle Scout reflects on Trump

Just an excerpt-

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I am disappointed in the president for exploiting a captive audience of young people to engage in flagrant self-promotion and to widen the chasm of division that pollutes our politics. I am disappointed in attendees who applauded the president as he demeaned his predecessor Barack Obama (who, incidentally, was involved in scouting), his former opponent Hillary Clinton, and the media.

And I am disappointed in commentators on social media who posted horrifying side-by-side images and comparisons of the Jamboree and Hitler Youth rallies.

Each group — presented with a unique opportunity to celebrate values that should guide our nation —displayed an appalling lack of self-control.
What he says is precisely how most of us feel. My son and I included. I had breakfast with a friend of mine this morning- the President and CEO of a bank here in town, also an Eagle Scout. We both agreed and share this young mans sentiments.

In fact my letter to BSA, although shorter in length, was the same tone and tenor as this response.
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:32 AM
 
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Here is an excellent response penned by a young man who became an Eagle Scout in 2015. Worthy of a read.

An Eagle Scout reflects on Trump

Just an excerpt-



What he says is precisely how most of us feel. My son and I included. I had breakfast with a friend of mine this morning- the President and CEO of a bank here in town, also an Eagle Scout. We both agreed and share this young mans sentiments.

In fact my letter to BSA, although shorter in length, was the same tone and tenor as this response.
What a beautiful reiteration of Scouting values. Thank you for posting the link.
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:54 AM
 
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There was no way the BSA could pre-emptively revoke that standing invitation to their honorary president without diving deeply into partisan waters. It would clearly have been an overtly political act that nobody could deny.


The BSA could not deny the POTUS any more than the American Legion or the VFW can.

So instead, they've got the Boys Scouts of America promoting Trump and his mad agenda.

Boy Scouts has long had the reputation as a conservative organization. No surprise there. But it has always been non political before.

That has changed.

With all the leaders cheering and booing along with the kids, parents can't help but wonder what is being promoted at pack meetings, campouts, etc.

Declining to give Trump a stage to rally his base would have resulted in a Fox News "scandal" and several threads on this forum. It would have blown over in a few weeks.
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Old 07-28-2017, 12:50 PM
 
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So instead, they've got the Boys Scouts of America promoting Trump and his mad agenda.

Boy Scouts has long had the reputation as a conservative organization. No surprise there. But it has always been non political before.

That has changed.

With all the leaders cheering and booing along with the kids, parents can't help but wonder what is being promoted at pack meetings, campouts, etc.

Declining to give Trump a stage to rally his base would have resulted in a Fox News "scandal" and several threads on this forum. It would have blown over in a few weeks.

If the parents are paying attention as they should be--it's their kids, after all--then they know what is being promoted at pack meetings and campouts.


More likely, Trump was saying about Obama only what many of the kids' own parents were already saying about Obama.
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Old 07-28-2017, 01:42 PM
 
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More likely, Trump was saying about Obama only what many of the kids' own parents were already saying about Obama.
I suspect you are right.

Which is another reason for those who are appalled by Trump and his madman agenda to pull their sons and their support from Boy Scouts.
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Old 07-28-2017, 01:45 PM
 
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If the parents are paying attention as they should be--it's their kids, after all--then they know what is being promoted at pack meetings and campouts.
Folks probably thought they knew until this happened.

Armed with this new knowledge, they can make more informed choices about what their sons are involved in.
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Old 07-28-2017, 01:45 PM
 
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What does his business affiliations have to do with the BSA? There's no political or financial advantage.
You really beleive that?

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Here is an excellent response penned by a young man who became an Eagle Scout in 2015. Worthy of a read.

An Eagle Scout reflects on Trump
There is hope yet. The real question is, how many others feel the same way or have they been doctrinated into the "Trump Youth" movement?

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More likely, Trump was saying about Obama only what many of the kids' own parents were already saying about Obama.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Old 07-28-2017, 01:54 PM
 
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With the Mormons starting their own scouting program (teens will be gone by next year), if liberal families pull out, will Boy Scouts evolve into more of a, for lack of a better word, "redneck" organization.

In my limited experience, such families don't tend to volunteer a lot.
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