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Old 07-26-2017, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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P.S. socialists are insane lunatics who call themselves progressives
I think a key theme of the early 20th century progressive movement was that laissez faire capitalism, left to its own devices, had natural tendency to evolve in the direction of monopoly organization, socio-economic inequality, concentration of capital, financial instability, corporate domination of everyday life and the erosion of democracy and community. Thus strong, energetic and activist democratic governments were needed to tame market forces, subordinate them to the public interest and wage permanent battle against new emergences of concentrated capital power.

But progressivism had a strong element of democratic nationalism and a pronounced pro-government orientation that a lot of people who self-describe as “progressives” these days seem to repudiate. I think the experience of the two recent major American wars – Vietnam and Iraq – has pushed the descendants of the progressive movement into a more individualistic, voluntarist and resolutely anti-government posture. A lot of progressives these days regard the United States government as the Evil Empire and history’s greatest monster, so the whole notion of seizing political control over it is fraught with irreconcilable ambivalence.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I miss Ron Paul.

Some say he is the libertarian icon. I think he is a true conservative.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:37 PM
 
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Who was the last conservative that was truly into fiscal conservatism?
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:40 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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do you know JFK was pro life?

if JFK were running for president today he would have been called a far right Republican.
We've come a long way Baby!
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:07 PM
 
Location: USA
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Old time conservatism failed.

People want free stuff. Including conservatives.
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:07 PM
 
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Who was the last conservative that was truly into fiscal conservatism?
Why bother wondering when the answer is meaningless to you? R = bad, D = good to you even if the D's are trying to do stuff the R's support.

But don't worry, NAFTA is a boon for american workers!

Plus if they get upset over losing their jobs you can just call them racists!
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:16 PM
 
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Old time conservatism failed.

People want free stuff. Including conservatives.
Yep. Both parties aren't that different and are largely in corporate pockets.

The idea that the repub party is going to help the little guy is a joke and is only considered by desperate recognition that the dems aren't any different. So voters run for the crap Trump spewed.

But hey, at least we can then blame the voters for running scared as their wages stagnate.

Frankly, that's got to be the most offensive thing I;ve heard in the last couple years.

Even if they WERE dumb...you have to be even dumber to tell them that.

Wages stagnate, people struggling financially as jobs get off-shored so they fall for empty promises....and there the DNC was calling these former Obama voters racist, deplorable, scumbags.

IMO, this may set the Democrats back 4+ years. Worst tactical mistake in an election i've ever seen.

Attacking voters is like licking a power line....they're not that bright but they remember being insulted.
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:32 PM
 
Location: USA
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Yep. Both parties aren't that different and are largely in corporate pockets.

The idea that the repub party is going to help the little guy is a joke and is only considered by desperate recognition that the dems aren't any different. So voters run for the crap Trump spewed.

But hey, at least we can then blame the voters for running scared as their wages stagnate.

Frankly, that's got to be the most offensive thing I;ve heard in the last couple years.

Even if they WERE dumb...you have to be even dumber to tell them that.

Wages stagnate, people struggling financially as jobs get off-shored so they fall for empty promises....and there the DNC was calling these former Obama voters racist, deplorable, scumbags.

IMO, this may set the Democrats back 4+ years. Worst tactical mistake in an election i've ever seen.

Attacking voters is like licking a power line....they're not that bright but they remember being insulted.
I'd rep you +10 for that if I could.
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I was watching McCain this morning lace into the "bombastic" talking heads that pass for talk radio news casters these days.

Why aren't we hearing from more thoughtful conservatives like George Will and Pat Buchanan? Hannity, Limbaugh, and the other jokers are filling our minds with mush.
That's because you listen to them. You can read George Will.

Hannity is an intellectual gnat. Limbaugh=hopeless, unhappy fellow.
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Old 07-26-2017, 09:04 PM
 
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Why bother wondering when the answer is meaningless to you? R = bad, D = good to you even if the D's are trying to do stuff the R's support.

But don't worry, NAFTA is a boon for american workers!

Plus if they get upset over losing their jobs you can just call them racists!
No I really wanted to know and you know nothing of my politics. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican.

Your assuming way too much -- and don't have answer. Maybe someone will take the time to answer me.

Is Reagan the last time a true conservative was in office?

I don't think there has ever been a fiscally responsible govt.
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