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Old 07-27-2017, 09:39 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Regardless, it is at minimum an attempt to either ignore reality or change reality. Whether that is a mental disorder or not, I won't speculate because our species is rife with similar behaviors--albeit less dramatic. If science could change a cat into a dog, would it be regarded as a mental disorder? And would the changed cat really be a dog?

IMO, you are free to alter your body as you wish (and I'm free to have an opinion about it). But until you are able to alter your DNA and alter the brain patterns that distinguish male/female, you are doing not much more than changing your clothing/facade. You are an Oldsmobile that had your outer sheet metal and gear shift changed to resemble a Dodge. If you want to look like a Dodge, fine... but you are still an Oldsmobile.

 
Old 07-27-2017, 09:40 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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This can be resolved easily by just passing a military rule that they won't pay for transgender operations or medications.

It's demeaning to those serving in our military to suggest that they only joined the military to go thru the conversion process.
That was actually what conservatives were going for. But Trump decided to just ban them instead. Oh, the irony. These people want to serve our country, and in the spirit of typical Trump hate and discrimination, Trump is going to kick them out using the BS excuse that their medical treatment will cost too much. Even if the US paid their medical expenses, and they can just forego that, the total cost is less than ONE Trump weekend trip to whatever resort.

Trump to reinstate US military ban on transgender people - CNNPolitics.com
 
Old 07-27-2017, 09:44 AM
 
Location: My House
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In what crazy world do we live where the solution to a chemical imbalance in your head is not to give medication to cure this imbalance but to chop off someone's member, pump them full of hormones and spend tens of thousands in cosmetic surgery so they feel better looking at themselves in the mirror?
Let's outlaw boob jobs, pectoral implants, calf implants, facelifts...

I could keep going, but you see what you just said there, right?
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:46 AM
 
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Since this is considered elective surgery, I don't see why the military health insurance should be covering it.
Nor do I. But, I do see why they should cover hormone treatments if a service member wants to use hormones. They cover them for people who are not trans.

And the hormones are NOT expensive. Cialis costs more than most generic hormones.
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Who cares?

Screw who you want. Be who you want.

Just leave me out of it. All of you.

 
Old 07-27-2017, 09:51 AM
 
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Regardless, it is at minimum an attempt to either ignore reality or change reality. Whether that is a mental disorder or not, I won't speculate because our species is rife with similar behaviors--albeit less dramatic. If science could change a cat into a dog, would it be regarded as a mental disorder? And would the changed cat really be a dog?

IMO, you are free to alter your body as you wish (and I'm free to have an opinion about it). But until you are able to alter your DNA and alter the brain patterns that distinguish male/female, you are doing not much more than changing your clothing/facade. You are an Oldsmobile that had your outer sheet metal and gear shift changed to resemble a Dodge. If you want to look like a Dodge, fine... but you are still an Oldsmobile.
You are absolutely correct.

People who are transgender know that they are not altering their DNA when they choose to modify their bodies to appear to be more in line with the gender with which they feel most comfortable presenting to the outside world.

So, from a DNA standpoint, a trans woman is genetically male. A trans man is genetically female (though some people do have unusual DNA situations, such as XXX or XXY or XYY syndromes, most of us are XX or XY).

That said, their IDENTITY is male or female and it is what they feel most comfortable with PSYCHOLOGICALLY.

Which is really fine and none of my business. I was born genetically XX and I'm comfortable with this from a psychological standpoint, so I will never have to deal with the sort of incongruity that trans people must deal with and I am VERY glad.

So, if they want to alter their external appearance and they want to take hormones to change certain aspects of their personalities and appearances, who am I to argue?

That's their business.
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:57 AM
 
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This can be resolved easily by just passing a military rule that they won't pay for transgender operations or medications.

It's demeaning to those serving in our military to suggest that they only joined the military to go thru the conversion process.
That doesn't change their mental state, the military has a list of mental health conditions that exclude one from entry: https://www.thebalance.com/military-...ission-3354046 compare that to this: https://tgmentalhealth.com/basic-iss...mental-health/ for your answer.

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Yes. I can tell you with a straight face, due to my extensive and formal education on the topic, that it is not in and of itself a mental disorder to be transgendered. Gender dysmorphia is a mental disorder. Transgenderism is not.

Why do you care whether another human being wants to alter their external genital appearance?

Why do you care about this at all? Does it affect you personally?

I'm not lost, btw.

Who is "lost?"

Did you mean "your loss?"

Because, words matter.

And so do definitions.

See how that works?
Again, https://tgmentalhealth.com/basic-iss...mental-health/ and Gender Dysphoria: What It Is and How It's Treated Can you explain the difference between someone that is transgender who thinks they are the opposite sex and someone with gender dysphoria who thinks they are the opposite sex.

Not sure if you are familiar with biology but a female is more than larger breasts and a vagina, so maybe if we discuss a 3rd sex, transgendered, it would make more sense. I am a woman. I don't "feel" like a woman, I am biologically a female, chromosomally. No male has yet to become a female. So, are we talking a 3rd sex?

I don't think we are concerned about what another person does with their body (for me, the exception is abortion where it harms another). The issue becomes the attempted force being applied to make us get on the liberal bandwagon and announce it is "normal".

And, a group of people trying to force me to accept something that is not true is affecting me personally. Isn't that what showers, dressing rooms and bathrooms is doing?

I have no issue with establishing a 3rd choice - transgendered. They can have their own facilities just like males and females, but it is my understanding that they are not "comfortable" with that.

I don't like the name calling that is done here in regard to transgendered people. I do feel that is wrong and childish. The issue should be addressed as an issue, medical and social.
 
Old 07-27-2017, 10:00 AM
 
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Anyone who is "different" is suffering from a mental disorder according to conservatives.
 
Old 07-27-2017, 10:02 AM
 
Location: California
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Default The science is in and Transgender is a mental disorder

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There is no doubt about it, everyone should understand this if they can think for themselves. My hats off to john Hopkins medical for telling the truth.
 
Old 07-27-2017, 10:03 AM
 
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I always laugh at the usage of the word "tolerance" to everything.

People don't need to tolerate everything they see. There cases and cases.

Transsexuals have a mental disease, this is factual. People with mental diseases do not belong into the military. So why should this be different?
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