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Old 09-30-2017, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by katygirl68 View Post
My question is what would be more effective to combat biased policing? Trying to reach out to people and rationally discuss issues?
That won't work. See below.

Or kneel while the anthem is playing and call the country oppressive, or set towns on fire and surround a mayor's house making threats over a verdict that has already been reached, on a crime that happened in 2011 that the Obama/Holder Department of Justice had already investigated and found nothing? I couldn't think of a more effective way to not get what you want.
You're thinking of Ferguson, I assume.

Did you read the other Ferguson DOJ report - the one that analyzed the Ferguson PD and found it to be every bit as racist and unconstitutional in its practices as could be imagined? Nah, we both know you didn't. But the black community in Ferguson did in fact see some serious improvement.

You and people like you will look at the spark, the isolated incident - be it the police killing that set off a riot or the peaceful demonstration at a football game - and find any reason to disparage it. All the while ignoring the powder keg of justified resentment.

The people of Ferguson were in fact abused by a corrupt, out-of-control, racist PD. That's not my assessment, that's the US DOJ. And nobody gave a hoot.

Polite, impassioned pleas do not work.

Old 09-30-2017, 01:57 PM
Location: The 719
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Originally Posted by ATG5 View Post
It went beyond Barack, too.

I remember threads in which Trump supporters bashed Michelle's compliments and claimed that she was a product of affirmative action.

This was, of course, without providing any proof, sources, transcripts, nothing. All they needed to make that claim and stand firm behind it was the fact that Michelle is a liberal black woman. Heck, forget the "liberal" part.

The fact that they praise Ivanka, who literally could blow her nose with 20$ bills growing up, but disparage Michelle's accomplishments and claimed she didn't do it on her own merit tells you all you need to know.

It's really rooted in the fact that these black liberals took the job of President and First Lady from white people, a position they did deserved in a place they did not belong, and the fact that these two have accomplished more than any of these supporters hope to. But even if the accomplishments were level, you're right, the Obamas have class and dignity, something your average Trump supporter knows nothing about.

The protesting players wasn't even a major topic at the time Trump said what he said. Kaepernick is a free agent and none of the other players were getting that much attention. The country was pretty much focused on other things like NK, hurricanes, things like that.

But, I'll give Trump credit. He knows how to whip his fanbase up in a frenzy, get them distracted from issues that actually will affect them, like healthcare, and reaffirm his support. To be fair, all you have to say is "black", and that's enough to make them start foaming at the mouth.
Michelle Obama! I remember her.

This is what one of my fellow racist Becky's said to her...
Originally Posted by Tomi Lohren
It's time for final thoughts.

Another day, another condescending leftist telling you how to think, feel and act. This time it's Michelle Obama reminding the ladies that she knows what's best for us because apparently we are not smart or independent enough to form an original thought.

Thanks Michelle. So what tidbit of verbal diarrhea did she spew this time?

Well, Mrs. Obama said and I quote: "Any woman who voted against Hillary Clinton voted against their own voice."

Really Michelle? Or did we choose secure borders, personal responsibility, a strong military, tax reform, smaller government, Obamacare repeal, and economic growth? See, that's what I voted for. I didn't vote for an email-deleting, influence-selling, accountability-lacking pantsuit of lies.

You're dang right I voted against Hillary Clinton, and the fact Mrs. Obama thinks that makes me less of a woman tells you everything you need to know about the left. No Michelle, as a woman I did not want the first female president to be Hillary Clinton and for good reason. I also didn't want another four years of your husband's failed legacy.Oh, and trust me, I didn't lose my voice. You're gonna hear my voice, loud and clear. How dare you diminish and degrade my vote! How dare you look down on Trump-supporting women!

Ya know, contrary to the left's popular belief, you don't have to march in the streets with female genitalia on your head to have a voice. See, millions of women made a different march, a march into the voting booth to vote for our interests, our country and Donald J. Trump.

Those are my final thoughts, Michelle. I hope you heard my voice and you'll remember it next time you talk down to free-thinking, Trump-supporting, America-loving women.

From New York City, God bless and take care.
Originally Posted by hogstooth View Post
Kaepernick Effect? NFL Ratings Drop Worries Wall Street

NFL ratings dropped about 12 percent

NFL TV Ratings Slide Worries Wall Street | Hollywood Reporter

Doesn't bother them, you just bet the Short.

Can anyone say, NFL Bubble™?

You heard it here first.

Step up and get some.

You're welcome.

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Old 09-30-2017, 02:05 PM
Status: "Finally Done With C-D BYE BYE" (set 13 days ago)
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Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
Kneeling has never been a sign of disrespect. Never.
Unless one's name is Tim Tebow and then it deserves mocking,derision etc...
Old 09-30-2017, 02:05 PM
Location: H-Tine, Texas
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Originally Posted by McGowdog View Post
Michelle Obama! I remember her.

This is what one of my fellow racist Becky's said to her...
Tomi? The girl who got fired on her day off? About the only thing I know about her.

Not sure what her opinion on the election has to do with Trump supporters claiming she really didn't earn her accomplishments.

Just another Hillary deflection, I guess.

Old 09-30-2017, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jimj View Post
Unless one's name is Tim Tebow and then it deserves mocking,derision etc...
I said the same thing about Tebow. Nothing he did was disrespectful.
Old 09-30-2017, 02:13 PM
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I believe its in their collective bargaining agreement that they must stand.
Old 09-30-2017, 02:34 PM
Location: NC
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Originally Posted by The Dark Enlightenment View Post
I believe that would be news to most of the knee takers. The most common reason cited for the protest is alleged police brutality against blacks.
It's a systemic problem that allows a small minority of bad-apple police to do wrong. On the whole, people understand that the vast majority of police are good cops who are there to serve, and who risk their lives. But the system has problems, and people are protesting that. One problem is that bad cops are protected, and often get away with it, but there are other problems that lead up to the unequal justice for blacks.

Drug laws unevenly target blacks
For Profit prisons are unfair to ALL prisoners, of which a disproportionate number are black
and in general, a society that has made great progress, but still has a lot of issues to fix. yes, we can celebrate the good that has happened, but we can't forget there is more to do.

The protests include all of that, and more. In general, I don't hear the athletes saying all cops (or 'most cops') are bad. If you go on the comments section of any related story on Breitbart, you WILL hear a strong contingency of racial bias saying all (or most) blacks are bad, and that they deserve what they get. It's sickening.

And I'm glad that of all I wrote, that is the worst you could find in it, and that what you found was in many ways wrong.
Old 09-30-2017, 02:40 PM
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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Default Trump and the NFL players

Personally I don't think that the player are so much against the flag as trying to make a statement about things they don't like.
They just picked a time when they could do it was all.
That being said the only way you are going to stop it is make protesting while you are being paid by the NFL or your team illegal and they could make that a contract issue.
As an ex federal employee myself there were many laws that affected us and things we could not do.
For instance you could put a sign on your lawn for a candidate but not on anyone else's lawn or you risk suspension to removal from employment.
Where I worked if you did much of anything that tied to you to the employer they could also take your security clearance away and it was non appealable.

That all being said I am a firm believer that the players have lots of money and can get attention almost anytime they want it but the game is the wrong time to do it.
Old 09-30-2017, 02:41 PM
Location: NC
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I would add: How can anyone be worried about how taking a knee disrespects the military when our President attacks war heroes and gold-star families.

How can anyone dispute the systemic problems with our police (not the officers, the system) when our President condones roughing people up and knocking their heads into police cruisers (litterally)?

And how can anyone boycott the NFL for protesting in SUPPORT of the American ideals, but they were silent when players beat their wives, GF's and got caught fighting dogs. If you were OK with all that stuff, I don't think you really get to be taken seriously now when you want to boycott the NFL. That ship has sailed, in my opinion.

(This was not directed toward any specific CD member, just anyone who is boycotting now, but had no problems with any of the above...)
Old 09-30-2017, 02:46 PM
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There is a collective bargaining agreement between the NFL & the Players. There is no rule to stand for the anthem. In future bargaining, unless both parties agree, nothing changes. I do not think the players are going to bargain away their 1st Amendment rights.

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