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View Poll Results: Should football players and university professors be easy to fire for their views?
Football players and university professors can be fired for their views. 142 43.03%
Neither can be fired for their views 188 56.97%
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Old 09-26-2017, 08:56 PM
 
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I'm not all that familiar with this but doing some brief research the main contention Of Murray Coal is that Mr. Oliver has asserted as fact that they have sacrificed the health and lives of their employees in pursuit of profits. If those are the facts then Mr. Oliver has nothing to worry about, even if they are not the facts this is something very difficult to prove because the onus is on Murray energy to prove otherwise.
Not the point. This is news because HBO has the resources to fight Murray Energy. Local papers - who are the normal targets of Murray and his lawsuits - don't. So they avoid stepping on the toes of the rich and powerful. The existing libel laws are already a very nice muzzle against unflattering opinions, if you have millions and the person criticizing you don't. And you want to make that easier? I don't understand that.

 
Old 09-26-2017, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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You're right, the NFL players are millionaires, instead sitting or kneeling (which is helping nobody) why not pony up some money, and start a legal defense fund for minorities who feel they were unfairly targeted by the police?
yah. ask em to pony up the dinero they use for fake boobies for their wives and it ends there.
 
Old 09-26-2017, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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I'll ask again. What are they protesting?
 
Old 09-26-2017, 08:59 PM
 
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I don't think anyone suggests there should be legal repercussions. Of course the President is legally within his right to suggest that people who exercise a fundamental right should be made to suffer for it. Doesn't mean it's a good idea, much less that it's ethical, let alone in keeping with the dignity of the office.
If the NFL came down hard on Kapernick and Obama criticized the the NFL for it would you be saying the same thing about Obama?
 
Old 09-26-2017, 09:00 PM
 
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but you dont **** off your fan base by disrespecting the flag and the country.
They're not. They're holding the country (and the flag) up to the ideals both claim to embody. It's the difference between loving your country like a six-year-old loves Mommy, and loving your country like an adult.

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if you would remove your cranium from your rectum, you would see that.
Is this what passes for reasoning among conservatives?
 
Old 09-26-2017, 09:04 PM
 
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If the NFL came down hard on Kapernick and Obama criticized the the NFL for it would you be saying the same thing about Obama?
I don't follow sports - did that happen?

But let's compare the cases, shall we?
  1. Federal Chief Executive says "These men should be fired for expressing dissent."
  2. Federal Chief Executive says "These men should not be fired for expressing dissent."

As far as I'm concerned there's a not-so-subtle difference between those, particularly in the context of a First Amendment discussion. YMMV.
 
Old 09-26-2017, 09:04 PM
 
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You're right, the NFL players are millionaires, instead sitting or kneeling (which is helping nobody) why not pony up some money, and start a legal defense fund for minorities who feel they were unfairly targeted by the police?
I find it funny when others opine what people should do with their money, when they should protest and what they are allowed to do when protesting
 
Old 09-26-2017, 09:04 PM
 
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You cannot disrespect the national anthem and claim to respect the country...
 
Old 09-26-2017, 09:05 PM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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And again, no matter who, where, why, how or when people decide to protest ya'll say they are being anti-American and shouldn't be protesting whatever it is they are protesting.

This isn't about how they are protesting. Its just the fact that they are that bothers ya'll. Why is that?
It's where and how they are choosing to protest.

It's the fact that they don't seem to care about a 100 other more pressing issues.

It's the fact that everyone else in America is supposed to change EXCEPT the criminals.
 
Old 09-26-2017, 09:06 PM
 
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Poor little snowflakes, absolutely falling all over each other in their haste to announce that President Trump somehow violated somebody's rights, without even checking their own references that they insist others read.

I suggest that President Trump's understanding of the Constitution exceeds your own, by a significant margin. He probably knows, as you clearly do not, that the kneel-for-National Anthem kerfuffle has nothing to do with the 1st amendment. The 1st does not say, "Private companies and clubs shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech...". No, it says "Congress shall make no law....".

You do understand the difference, don't you? Perhaps, as somebody here said, you should get a simplified version of the Constitution with pictures and charts.

NFL owners can fine their players if they want to, for kneeling during the Anthem. Or they can refuse to fine them. Or they can praise them and pay them a bonus. Or they can even fire them. Or not fire them. Congress has nothing to do with it.
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Amen. And the public can take DirectTv's offer up, drop the NFL package, and get a full refund.
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