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Old 09-30-2017, 06:01 AM
 
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Fine. You post that NFL teams get federal funding but it is entirely untrue. Love to see a link to prove me wrong and you right.

I am not telling you what to post. I am telling you this has nothing to do with the military. If you want to talk about what the military is paid compared to other professions fine. You should start a thread on it and I would agree they are underpaid. And that would be in most every profession I can think.
It took me less than 15 seconds to find a string of articles about the Federal Grants that NFL teams receive to "honor the military". I picked out PBS, because I know how the Leftists are about any link they don't recognize and will complain that it can't be true because of "bias". "Bias" translates to "News I don't want to hear".

So - YES, there is Federal Funding and YES, this DOES have "something to do with the Military".

Report: Defense Dept. paid NFL millions of taxpayer dollars to salute troops |PBS

The United States Department of Defense paid the National Football League more than $5 million in taxpayer money between 2011 to 2014 to honor U.S. soldiers and veterans at games, an investigation revealed this week.

Nearly $5.4 million was given to 14 NFL teams across the country, the bulk of which ($5.3 million) was supplied by the National Guard and the rest paid by the Army and Air Force, according to government records obtained by NJ.com.

But instead of purely heartfelt salutes to soldiers from hometown football teams, the halftime segments were reportedly part of paid promotions under federal advertising contracts for the military.

 
Old 09-30-2017, 06:09 AM
 
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Who is USSA news? lol.

Did you see that packed Thursday night game in Green Bay last night?
USSA News is the Media arm of USSA.

The United Services Automobile Association (USAA) is a Texas-based Fortune 500 diversified financial services group of companies including a Texas Department of Insurance regulated reciprocal inter-insurance exchange and subsidiaries offering banking, investing, and insurance to people and families that serve, or served, in the United States military. At the end of 2016, there were 11.9 million members.

Banking, Loans, Insurance serving ONLY Military or Vets ...... nearly 12 Million of them.
 
Old 09-30-2017, 06:38 AM
 
Location: NC
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Default Our President and others are trying to change the narrative of the NFL Protests

I think I’ve found a better analogy for “taking a knee” than has been described.

To me, and as stated by the NFL players, the NFL players taking a knee during the Anthem is not a protest of the flag, or of police or the military. It is a protest of what is happening to people in our country who don’t have the platform to speak out. Some people have compared it to Rosa Parks, saying she was not protesting public transportation. That is true, but it’s not a great analogy, because she was protesting what was happening on busses, so doing so on the bus was appropriate. I think a better analogy is the counter-protest in Charlottesville. The counter protesters were not protesting Charlottesville, they were protesting the message of hate that was delivered by white supremacists. (The Supremacists had a right to spew their message of hate, and the counter protesters had a right to reject it.) Many people, including our President, suggested the counter-protesters shared fault because they chose to make their stand in the face of the legal protest by the White Supremacists. I reject that. They were there to protest the message, and they did so peacefully until forced to defend themselves from violent attack. They were there because they LOVE Charlottesville and wanted to preserve it, and because they rejected the Anti-American message of the Supremacists. To say the NFL protests are anti-American would be the same as saying that the counter protesters in Charlottesville were rejecting the FREEDOM of the white supremacists to spew their message, or that they were protesting Charlottesville. Neither could be further from the truth. They were rejecting the message, not the right, because they love their city and their nation, and they want to preserve it.

So here’s how I see it. The players taking a knee are very similar,to the counter protesters. They are not protesting the flag. They are protesting actions that are against everything the flag stands for. These guys have it made. They are very fortunate to live in America, where they can become rich doing what they love (playing football). They are mostly not the ones being oppressed, but they have a platform to speak out for those who are. If they were spoiled, entitled punks, like some have suggested, they might sit quietly and enjoy their reward. Instead, they have taken a brave stance, often at great cost to themselves, to speak out for others who are less fortunate. This is something that has gone on for decades, and has not been fixed. Quiet protests where nobody will be offended have not worked. After all, the whole reason for protest is to make people feel the discomfort, to illicit a reaction that will force people to consider that which is being protested. A few people have been talking about police brutality and disparate rights for some, but apparently nobody is listening, because things have not dramatically improved. The NFL protests have got people talking, and that’s a start. It’s dialogue. As much as the President and others may want to reframe their intentions in order to stop the discussion, the fact is it is being discussed.

The protest is that some people are not receiving the rights and treatment that is represented by our flag. It is appropriate to take a knee IN SUPPORT OF what the flag stands for until every American has equal access to those values. To tell someone to protest elsewhere is like telling the counter-protesters in Charlottesville to protest in Richmond, so they don’t offend the white supremacists. Both are the embodiment of political correctness. Both are intended at least to avoid offending those who are guilty of not supporting rights of ALL AMERICANS, and are more likely intended to silence those who challenge the status quo.

In my opinion, the most appropriate place to protest in support of the values of the American Flag is during our Anthem or during the Pledge, and in front of the widest audience possible. It is not a protest against the flag, it is a protest in support of the values the flag and our Declaration of Independence, and for the way of life that our military risks their life to preserve.
 
Old 09-30-2017, 06:39 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Kaepernick did say that the flag was not equal in his eye. Because it was "oppressive".
Anyone who thinks the US flag is oppressive should spend some time in the middle east or places like venezuela. They'll figure out REAL FAST the US is the greatest on earth by far
 
Old 09-30-2017, 06:51 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Kibby View Post
It took me less than 15 seconds to find a string of articles about the Federal Grants that NFL teams receive to "honor the military". I picked out PBS, because I know how the Leftists are about any link they don't recognize and will complain that it can't be true because of "bias". "Bias" translates to "News I don't want to hear".

So - YES, there is Federal Funding and YES, this DOES have "something to do with the Military".

Report: Defense Dept. paid NFL millions of taxpayer dollars to salute troops |PBS

The United States Department of Defense paid the National Football League more than $5 million in taxpayer money between 2011 to 2014 to honor U.S. soldiers and veterans at games, an investigation revealed this week.

Nearly $5.4 million was given to 14 NFL teams across the country, the bulk of which ($5.3 million) was supplied by the National Guard and the rest paid by the Army and Air Force, according to government records obtained by NJ.com.

But instead of purely heartfelt salutes to soldiers from hometown football teams, the halftime segments were reportedly part of paid promotions under federal advertising contracts for the military.

That is advertisement. Guess what the military spends money on advertising. Ever see a military commercial on TV. Think the network does that for free?

The taxpayer funding that is being referred to is the construction of stadiums. That is money being handed out.
 
Old 09-30-2017, 06:53 AM
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Location: Ontario
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At the end of the day they are employees and have to tow the line just like
everyone else, if their company has "rules" they must follow or if they don't
they don't work there.
 
Old 09-30-2017, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Look...

tRump told his followers that it's all about the flag and disrespect for America. So to them, that's all there is to it.

End of subject!

 
Old 09-30-2017, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Look...

tRump told his followers that it's all about the flag and disrespect for America. So to them, that's all there is to it.

End of subject!

Yep, and they should all be told..."you're fired!"

The idea that spoiled overpaid prima donna NFL football player crybabies can change the results of the last election is absurd.
 
Old 09-30-2017, 07:37 AM
 
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Look...

tRump told his followers that it's all about the flag and disrespect for America. So to them, that's all there is to it.

End of subject!


With racism under the surface.

Trump's tweets are all dog whistles to the worst traits of his base. His recent tweet lamenting that the owners, nearly all of them white, are afraid of the big bad athletes protesting, most of them black is just another example. He constantly uses words and phrases that have connections to bigoted stereotypes.
 
Old 09-30-2017, 07:40 AM
 
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Yep, and they should all be told..."you're fired!"

The idea that spoiled overpaid prima donna NFL football player crybabies can change the results of the last election is absurd.
Its not about who they are, yes they are overpaid 'prima donnas' but you cannot dispute the amount of influence they hold, they literally have everyone talking about this now, even those who do not even watch sports, so its really about the amount of people they can reach instead of their actual job or title. I keep hearing people say "no one cares what an overpaid athlete thinks or does", but thats not true at all, in fact MANY MANY people do care, the proof of that is evident.

Besides that, I do support 'taking a knee'...its not very patriotic imo, to show any kind of respect or honor a tyrannical Govt.
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