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Old 07-28-2017, 09:59 AM
 
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Looks like he is thinking about the legislation that has passed in the house and needs 60 in the senate to get to his desk. Dems will continue to block everything.
You obviously have not been paying attention. Start reading the news before you post, you're embarrassing.
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Old 07-28-2017, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Looks like he is thinking about the legislation that has passed in the house and needs 60 in the senate to get to his desk. Dems will continue to block everything.
Really? A party can do that?

I never would have known that, because of course that wasn't done by the GOP during the last 6 years of Obama's term.
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Old 07-28-2017, 10:08 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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McConnell is a fool. If the dems were in his situation they would do it in a heart beat. They were the first one to break it on appointments. Ruthless bastards, gota give them that. GOP has babies.
Well, it's 'leader' does kick and scream and stomp his feet when he doesn't get his way.
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Old 07-28-2017, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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It's time that all the participants in this controversy recognized that there us no way to avoid a hard choice.

In the view of this writer, the biggest single obstacle is that the proponents of single-payer refuse to understand that the principle behind all insurance is that of shared risk -- but that the addition of a large component of poor risks and completely-uninsurable individuals distorts the market, to the disadvantage of those mostly-younger and mostly-healthy individuals who play by the rules.

We have developed a society, and an economy where no one is turned away; it's the impulsive behavior of many of those on the lower rungs who, for example, rely far too much on emergency rooms and emergency services which is the root cause of the problem. But the insistence of most of the single-payer advocacy upon over-centralization is what raises the overblown fear of "death panels" and the resistance among the conservative (and far more responsible) mainstream.
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Old 07-28-2017, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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It's time that all the participants in this controversy recognized that there us no way to avoid a hard choice.

In the view of this writer, the biggest single obstacle is that the proponents of single-payer refuse to understand that the principle behind all insurance is that of shared risk -- but that the addition of a large component of poor risks and completely-uninsurable individuals distorts the market, to the disadvantage of those mostly-younger and mostly-healthy individuals who play by the rules.

We have developed a society, and an economy where no one is turned away; it's the impulsive behavior of many of those on the lower rungs who, for example, rely far too much on emergency rooms and emergency services which is the root cause of the problem. But the insistence of most of the single-payer advocacy upon over-centralization is what raises the overblown fear of "death panels" and the resistance among the conservative (and far more responsible) mainstream.
And it's time that people recognize that health insurance in this country is a hybrid. It's not strictly a shared risk situation, it's also a form of pre-paid healthcare. And no, it's not the poor overusing emergency services that has caused the problems. Yes, that's a factor, but so are outrageous pharmaceutical and for-profit health insurance carrier profits, and a host of other aspects.

Realistically speaking, I don't think we can go from what we have now directly to single payer, and more people favor universal healthcare than single payer, but lots of people conflate the terms - they are not the same thing. I think the next realistic step is to implement a public option and then see how that works. If it works well and helps to control costs, then universal single payer could become the clear path forward. If it doesn't work well, then we know where to focus efforts at improving the system.
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Old 07-28-2017, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Texas
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He tweeted out a sort of "clarification" about 10 minutes later. Someone must have explained the math to him.

What an embarrassment.

Let's not be too harsh, now.
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Old 07-28-2017, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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He tweeted out a sort of "clarification" about 10 minutes later. Someone must have explained the math to him.

What an embarrassment.
His first tweet has 3 dots at the end... so he was planning to finish his thought. Typically he completes his 2 part tweets 10 minutes to an hour later.
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Old 07-28-2017, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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After health care failure, Trump calls for change to legislative filibuster - POLITICO

Does he truly think that this suggestion would have changed the results of the vote last night?

Or just more nonsense to try to distract from the fact that he's currently got a big giant goose egg as far as getting any of his legislative agenda through?
The man has six bankruptcies under his belt so, I don't think he's very good at arithmetic.

He's an idiot.
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:05 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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He tweeted out a sort of "clarification" about 10 minutes later. Someone must have explained the math to him.

What an embarrassment.
Are we really surprised? This from the guy who said, "I never knew healthcare could be so complicated."
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Are we really surprised? This from the guy who said, "I never knew healthcare could be so complicated."
Coming soon to a theater near you:

"I never knew taxes could be so complicated!"

It's going to be interesting to see how much call there is for Trump to release his own tax returns when he tries to promote a new tax plan which will of course include lots of tax cuts for the wealthy. People will legitimately want to see just how much he would benefit from any bill that he signs.
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