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Old 07-31-2017, 10:50 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by NOLA101 View Post
I meant Melania, obviously.
Melania had a Green Card when Trump married her, and shortly thereafter became a US citizen in 2006.

FWIW, immigration law offenders qualify for neither a Green Card nor US citizenship. So your assertions are false.
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Old 07-31-2017, 10:53 AM
 
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The government never holds big business criminally for anything. They reserve that for the little guy. That's why we will still be arguing this for decades.
The "little guy" (homeowner) doesn't have to e-verify all of his hired contractor's employees. Period.
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Old 07-31-2017, 11:13 AM
 
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The standard problem. Best the Feds could do would be bust some middle level executive and a store manager or two and it would cost millions and millions as Walmart would mount a full scale defense. So likely the corporation and higher management would escape and the Feds would end up with a couple of low end scalps at a very high cost.

The Feds and all prosecutors back off on high cost difficult cases. The Feds could probably convict almost everyone who sold mortgages for Countrywide.
Oh, good grief no! Countrywide was doing EXACTLY what Fannie/Freddie wanted.

Read how this worked. Published by Fannie Mae Foundation in 2000:
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"...Countrywide tends to follow the most flexible underwriting criteria permitted under GSE and FHA guidelines. Because Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac tend to give their best lenders access to the most flexible underwriting criteria, Countrywide benefits from its status as one of the largest originators of mortgage loans and one of the largest participants in the GSE [Affordable Lending] programs. When necessary—in cases where applicants have no established credit history, for example—Countrywide uses nontraditional credit, a practice accepted by the GSEs."
http://fcic-static.law.stanford.edu/cdn_media/fcic-docs/2000-00-00%20Fannie%20Mae%20Foundation%20Making%20New%20Ma rkets.pdf

Most flexible underwriting criteria. For example, no established credit history, among other issues that would normally get a loan rejected as too high-risk.

And guess who originated the low down payment loan? Yep, yet again, Fannie and Freddie, in the mid-1990s:

Fannie Mae Seeks to Ease Home Buying - March 3, 1994 - NYTimes.com

POSTINGS - Higher Loan-to-Value Ratio - Fannie Mae Eases Rules - November 28, 1993 - NYTimes.com
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Old 07-31-2017, 11:22 AM
 
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You don't know much about law do you? If you took the time to understand how our immigration laws work, you wouldn't look so ignorant.

First of all, illegal aliens who are here for a first time and have not been deported aren't committing a crime under the United States Code. What they are doing is something that can get them deported. However, if they are here for a first time (as most are) their wrong doing is civil as opposed to criminal. There is no jail sentence or punishment for illegally coming to the USA the first time.

Therefore, if the mayor of a "sanctuary city" refuses to participate in deporting such a person, he can't be an "accomplice" to a crime because there is no crime.

Second, the reason they call it a "sanctuary city" is simply because the police in such cities fail to contact ICE when an illegal alien is arrested on charges of state law. These "charges" could be something like speeding or failing to yield the right of way in traffic. Other than that, the mayor and other city officials aren't doing anything wrong. There isn't a law that expressly requires city officials to do this. Its something is simply done as a courtesy at the discretion of some cities and towns.

I really wish people would try to arm themselves with the facts before making posts like this. BTW, Jindal is no longer a public official himself. He's simply a man with opinions.
Calm down princess, maybe english isnt your first language but you are responding to a post where I just quoted an interview with Jindal and ICE director Homan. I am sure Jindal, a former ivy league/ oxford educated congressman and state governor and the ICE director who has been immigration for over 30 years know plenty about the law.


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He was arrested 20 times and the federal government did nothing but release him each time.

How many times does it take until you give up?
All of this happened during previous administration, this rapist had a rap sheet a mile long, 13 arrests just in portland alone int he past decade and criminal convictions from 3 states and a detainer on him and they still let him go. He should never have been release into the community, at some point even civil liability lawsuits should come into play, this scumbag should never been released by Multnomah County
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Old 07-31-2017, 11:26 AM
 
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You don't know much about law do you? If you took the time to understand how our immigration laws work, you wouldn't look so ignorant.

First of all, illegal aliens who are here for a first time and have not been deported aren't committing a crime under the United States Code.
They are ILLEGALY present in the US. IOW, law violators.

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Therefore, if the mayor of a "sanctuary city" refuses to participate in deporting such a person, he can't be an "accomplice" to a crime because there is no crime.
THIS is the crime:

With regard to violations of 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(ii)-(iv) and (v)(ii), domestic transportation, harboring, encouraging/inducing, or aiding/abetting, the basic statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 5 years, unless the offense was committed for commercial advantage or private financial gain, in which case the maximum term of imprisonment is 10 years.

https://www.justice.gov/usam/crimina...1324a-offenses

And if you read the entire law, you'll see that the 5-10 years prison term is for EACH illegal alien.

For mayors, police chiefs, etc., that could easily add up to a 100 year prison term, or more.

Arrest the mayors, etc., who are guilty of the above crime/s, prosecute them, and imprison them. Easily a 100+ year sentence.
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Old 07-31-2017, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Oh, good grief no! Countrywide was doing EXACTLY what Fannie/Freddie wanted.

Read how this worked. Published by Fannie Mae Foundation in 2000:

http://fcic-static.law.stanford.edu/cdn_media/fcic-docs/2000-00-00%20Fannie%20Mae%20Foundation%20Making%20New%20Ma rkets.pdf

Most flexible underwriting criteria. For example, no established credit history, among other issues that would normally get a loan rejected as too high-risk.

And guess who originated the low down payment loan? Yep, yet again, Fannie and Freddie, in the mid-1990s:

Fannie Mae Seeks to Ease Home Buying - March 3, 1994 - NYTimes.com

POSTINGS - Higher Loan-to-Value Ratio - Fannie Mae Eases Rules - November 28, 1993 - NYTimes.com
Much truth but irrelevant. Countrywide et al widely produced phony documents and income statements. Nothing in the Fannie Mae or other requirements allowed that. And it was on a lot of loans.
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Old 07-31-2017, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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They are ILLEGALY present in the US. IOW, law violators.

THIS is the crime:

With regard to violations of 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(ii)-(iv) and (v)(ii), domestic transportation, harboring, encouraging/inducing, or aiding/abetting, the basic statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 5 years, unless the offense was committed for commercial advantage or private financial gain, in which case the maximum term of imprisonment is 10 years.

https://www.justice.gov/usam/crimina...1324a-offenses

And if you read the entire law, you'll see that the 5-10 years prison term is for EACH illegal alien.

For mayors, police chiefs, etc., that could easily add up to a 100 year prison term, or more.

Arrest the mayors, etc., who are guilty of the above crime/s, prosecute them, and imprison them. Easily a 100+ year sentence.
You would need provable specifics to make such a charge stick. Generalities will not work. You will have none on civic officials.
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Old 07-31-2017, 12:11 PM
 
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Much truth but irrelevant. Countrywide et al widely produced phony documents and income statements.
They did nothing of the sort. Fannie didn't require them. That was the terms of Fannie's-Countrywide's Affordable Lending Partnership. Read the document I posted.

Why else do you think Mozilo didn't go to jail despite all the posturing federal huffing and puffing?
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Old 07-31-2017, 12:11 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Agreed, we should have no sympathy for our Sanctuary President. Deport Melania, jail Trump, fire all his illegals working at Mar a Lago and Bedminster, and then we can talk about going after the Sanctuary Cities.

Hell, Trump Tower, Trump's official residence, was built, in part, by illegals. Tons of illegal Polish construction workers built that tower. Lock him up!
Start here and then you can count me in.
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Old 07-31-2017, 12:14 PM
 
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You would need provable specifics to make such a charge stick. Generalities will not work. You will have none on civic officials.
I thought you got banned after your troll thread in the illegal immigration section. The one where you told us our mothers will get murdered if we deport illegals.
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