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But there's more to history that you're not mentioning.
these people you mention eventually became tied to the planter class of the south. And no they did face the same fate as enslaved blacks did.
Few poor people became tied to the planter class in the South.
My ancestors started arriving in 1611 to Jamestown from London. Many of them arrived throughout the 17th and 18th centuries from Ulster, southern England, Scotland and Wales. I have poured through my family history and only 1 person had slaves, and even he had 3. Not a planter.
Most of these people were southern highland backcountry settlers, many fought in the Southern Campaign in the Revolution and most lived in simple log cabins, often until WWII.
Slavery as it was practiced in the U.S. was intergenerational, based on skin color and the "one drop rule." Not only were you a slave, but your kids were slaves and their kids were slaves. You were literally property.
None of that applied to whites.
That is not true. The one drop rule was used after the Civil War to enforce Jim Crow laws, and it varied by state.
Southern Louisiana had a prosperous black Creole free population before the war. They even owned slaves themselves in some cases. I have been inside buildings in the French Quarter and the Faubourg Tremé and the Marigny that were owned by free black Creoles before the Civil War.
But there's more to history that you're not mentioning.
these people you mention eventually became tied to the planter class of the south. And no they did face the same fate as enslaved blacks did.
After the Revolution these indentured people were freed yes. As we're many Black Slaves who fought in the Continental army and militias. However, yes, many Blacks did remain in bondage so in that sense you are correct. But, the indentureds did not go on to be the Southern planter class. That was already firmly established before the war a d that old blood is what went on to form the Confederacy. The I denture people did go South in numbers ers to try and establish lives, they had small farms and such, but they were the much poorer class. Their progeny went on to be the rank and file of Southern armies.
And interestingly these folks were more often than not too poor to own slaves and did their own work on their small farms. They were hardly part of the planter class. Just regular folks. And since cell this issue seems to have morphed into a referendum on the Confederacy and Black servitude, it should be mentioned that though these folks did fight for the South in great number during the Civil War, their motives for doing so we're far different from the planter class. They didn't own slaves in any numbers but their homes, which were far more humble than the planters but extremely important to them were being threatened. They may have been born to them, but not with any silver spoon as with the plantation owners.
The Irish were called potato pickers, looked down as drunks and were used as slaves. They were looked at as helpless animals and used as animals.
Yep NINA was used frequently.
Quit a few different groups were held hostage. The Irish had it somewhat easy compared to the Chinese on the railroads in the 1800's. The hundreds of thousands of Japanese Americans who lost property and were thrown in jail because they were Japanese during WW2.
The Irish were called potato pickers, looked down as drunks and were used as slaves. They were looked at as helpless animals and used as animals.
Even 15 years ago, one of my English friends was talking disparagingly of his Irish brother-in-law. The Brits still have a negative view of the Irish and their drinking culture.
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Even 15 years ago, one of my English friends was talking disparagingly of his Irish brother-in-law. The Brits still have a negative view of the Irish and their drinking culture.
I don't think the Irish are alone in liking a drink, and given the binge drinking that goes on in cities throughout the UK on a weekend I am surprised anyone would have the nerve to criticise the Irish.
GHOSTRIDER, are you going to address the fact that you just said "you did not remember learning this", even though you posted about this same subject before?
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