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Old 08-11-2017, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Indeed he is.

With some hard work and bipartisan input, Obamacare could be fixed. But Trump and McConnell DID NOT seek input or help from the Democrats AT ALL.

Trump tweeted the other day about how "6 democrats run the senate" because his healthcare bill didn't pass. But Donald Trump refused to mention that those 6 democrats were NOT asked for input or amendments to the proposed bill.

I guess Trump just expected them to vote for something that they didn't agree with and weren't even asked if they had any recommendations?!

How dumb is Trump?!
Dumb enough to be representative of Americans in general.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:46 PM
 
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He isn't "trying to impede" it. He is doing the job of the executive branch and following the law as written. The fact that it is a badly flawed law, written by people that had no clue about what they were doing and is failing....was happening with or without him.

Unlike, say-Obama-who refused to do the job of the executive branch as far as enforcing laws he didn't like.
GOOD FAITH. do you understand what that means Toyman?

it means to carry out the laws as the law were intended to be carried out, not to try to wiggle out, not to try to make it collapse.

Trump is withholding information to make it harder for Insurance companies to price their products. there are deadlines and companies are pulling out or raising prices far higher need needed because trump is saying he will block the monies due to the insurers precisely to make them raise prices or pull out of the markets.

trump is a Bunt. He knows what harm he is doing and he does not care that millions will lose good cover or pay much more so that he can say it is "broken. Trump is a bad person and you are in denial if you think he is not purposely breaking ACA, Trump has even said it.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:59 PM
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Location: MA/NH
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I guess you are not part of the 21 million, are you ?
Considering that the estimated population of America was 323.1 million in 2016, the rest of us, 300 million of us are unwilling to pay high premiums in order to support those 21 million.

And we say... let Obamacare fail. It's a highly flawed system that didn't address fixing the high costs of pharma and medical care. And even more importantly, Obamacare wasn't able to force all the younger healthy Americans to buy health insurance in order to support all the sick people. It's not Trump causing Obamacare to fail, it's those selfish uninsured healthy people not buying insurance policies that are causing the system to implode. So go rag on them.
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Old 08-11-2017, 01:05 PM
 
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IDK why anyone wants to see it "implode" this way instead of just trying to fix it. The "fixing/changing/repealing" it part is going to take the same amount of time, whether you have to survive the implosion period or not. Now, you'll have to suffer until it hits rock bottom before they'll actually start the hard work. The people who complain about ACA are gonna be hardest hit by that implosion.
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Old 08-11-2017, 05:40 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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IDK why anyone wants to see it "implode" this way instead of just trying to fix it. The "fixing/changing/repealing" it part is going to take the same amount of time, whether you have to survive the implosion period or not. Now, you'll have to suffer until it hits rock bottom before they'll actually start the hard work. The people who complain about ACA are gonna be hardest hit by that implosion.
Really? It's going to get worse than having no insurance at all? Please tell me how...
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Old 08-11-2017, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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IDK why anyone wants to see it "implode" this way instead of just trying to fix it. The "fixing/changing/repealing" it part is going to take the same amount of time, whether you have to survive the implosion period or not. Now, you'll have to suffer until it hits rock bottom before they'll actually start the hard work. The people who complain about ACA are gonna be hardest hit by that implosion.
Some politicians want it to implode, they don't care who it hurts as long as it fails. They aren't interested in a solution, they are against anything Obama.
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Old 08-11-2017, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Nothing is stopping anyone from buying health insurance, now, before or during Obamacare.
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Old 08-11-2017, 08:17 PM
 
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I guess you are not part of the 21 million, are you ?
I am one of the millions who lost his insurance due to ACA.
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Old 08-11-2017, 08:18 PM
 
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Nothing is stopping anyone from buying health insurance, now, before or during Obamacare.
I don't want my premiums subsidizing deadbeats.

Thus I forgo ACA until it dies.
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Old 08-11-2017, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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It's not Trump's job to save Obama Care. Obama care is the law of the land. The House and the Senate are responsible for bills that become law. Trump is letting things play out as written in the law. How many times did the Obama White house ILLEGALLY re-write certain parts of the law without congressional approval to add more rules and money to it in order to prop it up. I think it was 11 times. Perhaps more.
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