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Old 07-31-2017, 10:15 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Originally Posted by Scooby Snacks View Post
Obamacare is a heck of a lot better than the nothing we had before. Because at least those people who had 0 health insurance options now have the chance to have insurance. Besides, instead of complaining about how bad the program is, where's the great replacement Rs have promised us?
Yeah that is like saying that lemon of a car is better than riding the bus. Its only better to some because the others like me are paying for it. The Dems could have passed a good law. Universal health care. They didn't. They were even warned that the ACA was a bad law.
As for the GOP. They aren't going to pass anything because they don't want to.
Listen I don't have a dog in the fight, or at least I won't in 6 months when I move to another country. I do know that the ACA has hurt me and every American like me. It may have helped a minority of Americans but it harmed far more.
A dog that only bites sometimes is still a dog that bites. The ACA bites.
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Old 07-31-2017, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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There are very few countries where employers are in business of directly providing health insurance. I can't think of any other country than US.
Just off the top:

The world's oldest Universal Healthcare System,Germany has historically imposed an employer contribution to the " Sickness Fund".

The world's best Universal Healthcare System, France, does likewise.

Both countries ammend their Universal Healthcare Sustems annually and periodically reform them.

In sharp contrast, the Swiss impose an individual mandate on all people. They are required to buy a state mandated plan from an approved private insurer who is not allowed to profit. The government subsidizes 40% of the premium. The Swiss report a 99% compliance rate. The Swiss do not permit insurers to discriminate by age or medical condition. A healthy 20 year old pays the same premium as a sickly 80 year old. Most people buy Supplimental Plans to help pay for what the basic plan does not. That's where insurers make their profit.

The Swiss control costs because the government operates most hospitals, operate MD comprised Compariative Effectiveness panels and negotiates the cost of medications.
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Old 07-31-2017, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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As long as MediCare is barred from negotiating prescription drug prices I can't credit Congress with having any real concern for health care costs either. Failing 60+ times to repeal the ACA while having NO decent replacement ready is laughable to the extreme. And that's being kind.
Congress last declined Medicare the authority to negotiate/ regulate the wholesale/ retail cost of medications while the same Congress approved the expansion of Medicare to cover prescription meds. It was implemented just a few years before the oldest baby boomers began turning 65.

Big Pharma lobby invested huge sums in ads to warn the people about the perils of negotiating prices and buying meds from foreign countries.

Medicare could buy meds from Canads for less than the US. Says it all.
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Old 07-31-2017, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Obiecare has no price controls, it can't be tweaked. We need a new approach, Obamacare is dead. I haven't seen any comprehensive fixes offered by Democrats, Trump can and should kill it.

The ACA imposes price controls on insurers. They have to justify proposed premium increases to the state.

Trump campaigned on the promise to " replace Obama are with something wonderful that would take care of everybody and the government will pay for it". Where is it?

Going back to your point, none of the replacement bills contain anything to control the costs of healthcare.

Some who oppose the ACA have a tendency to argue out of both sides of their mouth. On one hand the ACA does nothing to control the root cause of insurance premiums AND how insurers are squeezing the life out of healthcare providers.
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Old 07-31-2017, 10:39 AM
 
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He is deliberately sabotaging a government program that helps tens of millions of America. It is reprehensible.
Nothing wrong with letting a sabortion die.
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Old 07-31-2017, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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And what do you suppose the Republicans will replace it with?

They're proposing a bill that will not only cause people to lose coverage entirely but will increase premiums by 20% and lower coverage for those who do pay for insurance.
Rather than focus on the few Republican Senators who voted no, maybe the public should focus more on the Senators who voted in favor of the projected consequences of the assorted alternatives.
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Old 07-31-2017, 10:41 AM
 
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I'm sorry to hear that. Truly.

Well, do you think democrats and republicans should work together on a bipartisan fix to Obamacare to try and make sure millions more don't lose their coverage like you did?

Or should Trump and McConnell "just let it die," which means that millions more WILL lose their health coverage like you did?

Which do you think is the better option for the American people???
We were assured we could keep our healthcare coverage under the Democratic lead ACA. That turned out to be untrue. But we must completely believe Democrats when the claim is that millions will lose coverage is the ACA dies. Obamacare should not be "fixed." Repeal it, then you can have the bi-partisanship and both parties can come up with something new.
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Old 07-31-2017, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I thought they did ask for help, and were basically refused.

Nothing will be done on a bi partisan agenda. Those days are far gone. It's now a battle of wills, between communist style socialism from the left, and semi fascist socialism from the right. We the people are the losers in the middle.

The whole health care thing is a smokescreen. O'care should be repealed, never replaced. Let the free market handle the situation. Personally nothing has worked for me. I didn't have health care before O care, didn't have it after, and likely wont have it under anything the Trump administration is proposing.

Because I am self employed, I am perceived to be some sort of multi millionaire and do not qualify for anything. Too young, make just to much, but just not enough. If there was no gubmint control I might have a chance to at least shop for what I can afford. Instead, it is all dictated to me.

People don't understand this whole thing is just another power grab that allows TPTB to dictate the way you live your life through financial slavery. WAKE UP! already. Once they have everybody categorized into separate "classes" defined by their level of "healthcare", they can decimate whole classes, thru the use of "healthcare". Government has NO PLACE in healthcare.

I don't profess to know the answer, I do know government isn't it.

Just the observation of the excluded outlier, looking in. You're all fools to keep spinning your wheels looking to government for the answer. Good luck with all that.



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I sincerely hope you do not become a victim of a violent crime or have an accident or symptoms that compel you to seek medical attention.

A so- called free market healthcare model has not worked anywhere. Why would anyone think it would work in the third most populous country in the world?

Nothing precludes anyone from shopping for the lowest costing basic healthcare service. There are clinics in Hispanic communities in LA county offering substantially more affordable basic healthcare to mostly undocumented and uninsured people. All bets are off when it comes to tests and hospitalization.
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Old 07-31-2017, 10:51 AM
 
Location: NC
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He is deliberately sabotaging a government program that helps tens of millions of America. It is reprehensible.

A government program that taxes people and forces the working deplorables such as myself to subsidize others insurance. let it implode!.
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Old 07-31-2017, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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How exactly would the free market handle the people without healthcare if the ACA went away, they have no interest in those with preexisting conditions or insuring in rural remote areas.
There is no common definition of the fantasy of free market healthcare.

Some want government completely out of healthcare. No licensing. No FDA. No laws. No documentation. Just let it rip and sort itself out.

Some seem to think the public could shop for the lowest cost medical care and medications and that would force the market to reduce their fees. You know, reduce the profits and compensation and benefits of all healthcare providerd and suppliers.

Others seem to prefer only Catastrophic Plans for major expenses. Sounds good in theory. The cost of basic physicals and basic Cancer screenings are not the drivers of healthcare costs.
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