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Old 07-31-2017, 11:50 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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It is impossible for any government to provide a Health Plan that works (that is, that keeps more people happy than the free-market plans used to). It's simply the nature of government, and the nature of Health Care. They are just 100% incompatible with each other.

We've fond out for the last decade or so, that when Government is given the responsibility for the nation's health plans, it immediately starts getting pushed and shoved in many directions, all with little or no control. If the Plan isn't perfect (and no Plan is perfect), someone will go running to the press and scream that this group or that group isn't being "fairly treated" - whether it's women who don't get enough prenatal care, or old people who have chronic maladies, or young people who are healthy but still have to pay high Health Plan costs, or whatever the "cruel, heartless" problem is this week. And next week it will be something else. And with bureaucrats not having to directly pay for the decisions they make, their decisions will be randomly arrived at, randomly (if at all) enforced, and randomly changed later.

The problem is not Republicans, and it is not Democrats. The problem is ANYONE who thinks Big Government can take care of the country's health care industry, better than private people and companies doing it themselves by free choice. And there are plenty of those big-government pushers in both parties.

For the last eight years, those big-govt pushers have gotten hold of the reins of power, and have actually tried to implement their pet theories. And as a direct result, the Health Care industry is now in chaos.

Part of the problem this week, is the concern over major changes that may come soon from government. Well, that's because we made the mistake of giving govt the power to make those major changes in the first place.

Private people and companies cannot make sudden major changes in the country's Health Care system. Somebody might invent a new medicine that does wonderful things. Or a less expensive way to do MRIs that make the treatments more affordable. Or some other "revolutionary" breakthrough. But such changes will only be implemented relatively slowly, and only if people want them to happen - a process that takes time and gives room to reflect, test, and possibly change minds. And at best, affects only a small part of America's health care system even if it does get accepted.

Government is the only entity that can suddenly change the entire industry... and it often does so for questionable reasons or poor and dangerous motivations. Government is invariably the source of the poor decisions and chaos that results. And then people demand govt "do something about it"... which just results in even more chaos.

The problem isn't this party or that party running Health Care. The problem is GOVERNMENT running health care. Because that is something that government is simply incapable of doing, anywhere near as well that the free market can (however imperfect that is).
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Old 07-31-2017, 11:52 AM
 
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OK, explain Medicare....
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Old 07-31-2017, 11:54 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Uhh yes, they can. It's called Medicare and Medicaid.
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Old 07-31-2017, 11:57 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Uhh yes, they can. It's called Medicare and Medicaid.
Two dreadful programs that patients have to wait endlessly for, and doctors are bailing out of right and left.
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Old 07-31-2017, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna.
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Most of us can recognize that medical care is already rationed -- de facto rather than de jure -- and with some backing by HMO's and the like. The child stricken with an incurable illness is automatically going to be treated much differently than the fool whose bones, lungs and liver are falling apart after forty years of a pack a day and two cases every weekend.

The disputes arise when disparities in income distort the outcomes, which then provoke the cries of outrage from people from both sides of our nation's current polarization -- who then assure their captive following that things would be a lot different -- if the POWER were in their hands.

As with most of us, having followed three close relatives through the painful end-of-life process that eventually will confront us all, I can only express gratitude to most of the professionals who deal with these challenges on a daily basis.
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Old 07-31-2017, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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The problem isn't this party or that party running Health Care. The problem is GOVERNMENT running health care. Because that is something that government is simply incapable of doing, anywhere near as well that the free market can (however imperfect that is).
Government does not run healthcare under Obamacare. You are making an argument based on something that isnt true.
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Old 07-31-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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Two dreadful programs that patients have to wait endlessly for, and doctors are bailing out of right and left.
Oh man, that's some weak sauce!
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Old 07-31-2017, 12:15 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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It is impossible for any government to provide a Health Plan that works (that is, that keeps more people happy than the free-market plans used to). It's simply the nature of government, and the nature of Health Care. They are just 100% incompatible with each other.

The results in just about every industrialized nation in the world but the US say otherwise.
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Old 07-31-2017, 12:19 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Government does not run healthcare under Obamacare.
It runs enough of it to mess it up badly. Our health care system has been going downhill, and costs skyrocketing, ever since Obamacare was passed.

Govt is incapable of implementing a Health Plan anywhere near as well as the free market can (imperfect though the FM is).

And "fixing" a health plan like Obamacare, is like "fixing" a flood after a dam upstream of a city has broken. It can't be done.
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Old 07-31-2017, 12:20 PM
 
Location: too far from the sea
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Two dreadful programs that patients have to wait endlessly for, and doctors are bailing out of right and left.
That's (fake) news to me and I'm on Medicare. I have to wait to see my pcp? Really? I have to wait for surgery and all else? Really?

Hate to tell you, but Medicare has been around since the '60s and it's here to stay. And it's not like the VA either (which is another falsehood promoted by the extreme righties.)
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