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you are full of chocolate caca.......if a federal prosecutor has a 99.9% chance of an indictment he goes to trial he doesn't need a grand jury....You are confusing an actual trial to a grand jury.
And again, no clue what you're talking about. He can not get an indictment without going through a grand jury.
Give it up. You're in way over your head. You heard someone shouting some **** on one of your idiot radio stations, and it sounded like it fit with all the dumb **** you already believed, so you came away thinking you had it all figured out. Fact is, you don't understand any of it.
Just give it up.
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Originally Posted by Hellion1999
Mueller was hired to investigate a specific crime allegation not to go fishing for something 25 years ago that has nothing to do with the Russian probe....whatever he finds that has nothing to do with the probe he can't use on trial. No judge will allow that....Mueller was hired by the Department of Justice to investigate the Russian probe not Trump's real estate deals that has nothing to do with the probe.
And once again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Mueller was explicitly given the specific authority to investigate "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation." That means that while he's looking for collusion, if he finds evidence that Trump (let's say) used his casino to launder money for Russian mobsters, Mueller has a green light to go for it. Why? Because that, in itself, could wind up demonstrating that Trump had undisclosed connections and/or obligations to the Russian government.
Time and again, you Trumpies just have no clue what you're talking about. You're in miles over your heads. You can stomp your little foot, clench your little fists, and shout at the wind all you want, but no matter how much you try to create your own facts, the reality is what it is. Mueller is acting entrely within his authority, and at this point it's a certainty that he has concluded that members of the Trump campaign and/or Administration have committed felonies.
You know... what you Trumpies don't seem to understand is that the purpose of the grand jury is to protect the interests of the defendant, not the government. The primary purpose of the grand jury is to ensure that an innocent citizen is not wrongfully prosecuted on false charges by a corrupt government. The idea is that if a corrupt prosecutor tries to wrongfully indict someone on false charges, the private citizens of the grand jury step up and stop the process. It is a safety net for the accused.
Their role is to listen to the evidence that is prevented, and make a decision as to whether the government is justiified in pressing charges against their fellow citizen. If they feel that the government is wrongfully targeting a subject and/or a target of the grand jury, or simply has not done a sufficient job of gathering and organizing their evidence, their sworn duty is to stop the process in its tracks by writing "not a true bill" on the indictment - and the indictment is dismissed. This is not a process for a government to railroad a defendant; it is a process meant to ensure precisley that the defendant is not wrongfully prosecuted.
Seriously... did any of you peiple get past the 6th grade? How do you get through school witout learning at least a basic framework of facts about how our system of government works?
And again, no clue what you're talking about. He can not get an indictment without going through a grand jury.
Give it up. You're in way over your head. You heard someone shouting some **** on one of your idiot radio stations, and it sounded like it fit with all the dumb **** you already believed, so you came away thinking you had it all figured out. Fact is, you don't understand any of it.
Just give it up.
And once again, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Mueller was explicitly given the specific authority to investigate "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation." That means that while he's looking for collusion, if he finds evidence that Trump (let's say) used his casino to launder money for Russian mobsters, Mueller has a green light to go for it. Why? Because that, in itself, could wind up demonstrating that Trump had undisclosed connections and/or obligations to the Russian government.
Time and again, you Trumpies just have no clue what you're talking about. You're in miles over your heads. You can stomp your little foot, clench your little fists, and shout at the wind all you want, but no matter how much you try to create your own facts, the reality is what it is. Mueller is acting entrely within his authority, and at this point it's a certainty that he has concluded that members of the Trump campaign and/or Administration have committed felonies.
You know... what you Trumpies don't seem to understand is that the purpose of the grand jury is to protect the interests of the defendant, not the government. The primary purpose of the grand jury is to ensure that an innocent citizen is not wrongfully prosecuted on false charges by a corrupt government. The idea is that if a corrupt prosecutor tries to wrongfully indict someone on false charges, the private citizens of the grand jury step up and stop the process. It is a safety net for the accused.
Their role is to listen to the evidence that is prevented, and make a decision as to whether the government is justiified in pressing charges against their fellow citizen. If they feel that the government is wrongfully targeting a subject and/or a target of the grand jury, or simply has not done a sufficient job of gathering and organizing their evidence, their sworn duty is to stop the process in its tracks by writing "not a true bill" on the indictment - and the indictment is dismissed. This is not a process for a government to railroad a defendant; it is a process meant to ensure precisley that the defendant is not wrongfully prosecuted.
Seriously... did any of you peiple get past the 6th grade? How do you get through school witout learning at least a basic framework of facts about how our system of government works?
You seem to know about a lot of things for sure even though there is zero proof.
Either way, we get Trump for eight years or Pence and a likely far right VP. Doesn't seem to be a bad thing for Repubs
Mueller was hired to investigate a specific crime allegation not to go fishing for something 25 years ago that has nothing to do with the Russian probe....whatever he finds that has nothing to do with the probe he can't use on trial. No judge will allow that....Mueller was hired by the Department of Justice to investigate the Russian probe not Trump's real estate deals that has nothing to do with the probe.
1. Placing constraints on the scope of Mueller’s jurisdiction
Rosenstein granted Mueller extremely broad jurisdiction to investigate links between Trump campaign and Russian election interference as well as matters arising directly from that investigation, including obstruction. Any efforts to limit Mueller from pursuing the facts and the law wherever they lead are an impermissible abrogation of that broad jurisdictional compass.
More specifically, Rosenstein assigned Mueller to take over Comey’s investigation, which Comey described to Congress as encompassing “the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts.” Rosenstein’s order appointing Mueller specifically referenced “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump” and “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.” The order appointing Mueller also invokes 28 C.F.R. 600.4, which provides that “[t]he jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the special counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses.”
Emphasis on items in bold and underlined are important, and contradictory to what you assert. And I don't agree with your assessment of the preparedness of a Federal Grand Jury. In my opinion, which is also based in first hand knowledge- you don't go to a grand jury without evidence. The origins of the grand jury were to indeed screen out BS prosecutions, however in the modern day (today) the FBI, and especially Mueller, are simply not going to enlist a federal grand jury to try and see if something is gonna stick.
They go in with some pretty heavy evidence. They want to proceed.
You seem to know about a lot of things for sure even though there is zero proof.
What are you talking about? Of COURSE there is proof. That's the whole point of a grand jury - the prosectutor decides he has sufficient evidence to prove that a target has committed a crime, and he takes that proof to a grand jury and asks them to approve briging the person to trial.
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Someone may have posted this already but conventional wisdom states you can get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich.
To the extent that it's true, it's probably because by the time that a competent prosecutor takes a case to a grand jury, it's a slam dunk.
Emphasis on items in bold and underlined are important, and contradictory to what you assert. And I don't agree with your assessment of the preparedness of a Federal Grand Jury. In my opinion, which is also based in first hand knowledge- you don't go to a grand jury without evidence. The origins of the grand jury were to indeed screen out BS prosecutions, however in the modern day (today) the FBI, and especially Mueller, are simply not going to enlist a federal grand jury to try and see if something is gonna stick.
They go in with some pretty heavy evidence. They want to proceed.
Sorry, but tis very, very much true.
again, Gran Jury its also a method prosecutors have to close a case in high profile case by the public that its weak and they want to wash their hands.
you think if Mueller comes out tomorrow and says in the press conference I look at everything and there is nothing, I'M OUT! people in Washington are going to accept that especially with all the leaks to the media, the political climate and all the money Mueller is spending?....the grand jury can be view also as a way out for Mueller in a case that he has NO SHOT in getting a prosecution and keep his dignity.
The prosecutor in the Mike Brown case did the same thing, in a high profile case and with pressure to indict the cop he knew he had a weak case to prosecute so he took it to the Gran Jury to have everything under oath for the record and separate the fake news from the facts and he got want he wanted, he washed his hands and the jury said NO indictment.....case closed.
if a prosecutor has hard evidence to indict and get a conviction he doesn't need a grand jury, he goes straight to trial.....but I'm guessing Mueller has a weak case in the Russian collusion and email hacking and a grand jury is a way out.
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