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Old 08-04-2017, 10:21 PM
 
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With this policy in place, the US wouldn't have Americans like Samuel Alito, Colin Powell, Micheal Bloomberg and Martin Scorcese. These were all first generation Americans who had parents that immigrated to the United States and took jobs as seamstresses, clerks and teachers.

And that's just off the top of my head from the NYC area. I think the contributions that immigrants and their children make to this country are underestimated by many.
Some other American could've done just as well to take their place. Of course a few immigrants and 1st generation Americans are great, many more are not, but none of them are irreplaceable.
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Old 08-04-2017, 10:27 PM
 
Location: NY/LA
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Some other American could've done just as well to take their place. Of course a few immigrants and 1st generation Americans are great, many more are not, but none of them are irreplaceable.
I really don't think you can say that with any certainty. I don't believe that Michael Bloomberg's existence prevented another middle-class American from starting their own multi-billion company. Or that Scorcese is "taking the place" of some other person who should have been a Hollywood success. They created their businesses and art, from their own experiences, insights and ambitions. They're not "stealing" it from someone else. Those things wouldn't exist without them.

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Old 08-04-2017, 10:50 PM
 
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I really don't think you can say that with any certainty. I don't believe that Michael Bloomberg's existence prevented another middle-class American from starting their own multi-billion company. Or that Scorcese is "taking the place" of some other person who should have been a Hollywood success. They created their businesses and art, from their own experiences and ambitions. They're not "stealing" it from someone else. Those things wouldn't exist without them.
Of course they competed with and edge out someone elses. No one creates a multi-billion company without doing so, immigrant or not. I never said they necessarily "stole" it but they definitely displaced others. Besides, one or two model immigrants doesn't justify the million others.
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Old 08-04-2017, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Tulsa
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I really don't think you can say that with any certainty. I don't believe that Michael Bloomberg's existence prevented another middle-class American from starting their own multi-billion company. Or that Scorcese is "taking the place" of some other person who should have been a Hollywood success. They created their businesses and art, from their own experiences and ambitions. They're not "stealing" it from someone else. Those things wouldn't exist without them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_Medal

Some of the recent Fields Medal winners affiliated with Princeton and Stanford are immigrants. They stole the awards from Americans. Princeton has hired too many foreign workers because they don't care about American citizens.
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Old 08-04-2017, 10:58 PM
 
Location: NY/LA
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Of course they competed with and edge out someone else's. No one creates a multi-billion company without doing so, immigrant or not. I never said they necessarily "stole" it but they definitely displaced others. Besides, one or two model immigrants doesn't justify the million others.
A million people could try to replicate what business titans have done, and wouldn't be able to. So you can't say that one of his competitors would have been able to, if only Bloomberg weren't around.

And it's way more than one or two successful immigrants.
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Old 08-04-2017, 10:59 PM
 
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Remember the pussyhats who said they'd move to Canada and Australia after Trump won? They were shocked to learn those countries actually use this points based merit system that Trump is championing and most would never be allowed in! Talk about a slap in the face by reality.
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Old 08-04-2017, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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As proposed by Trump administration, the US may want to adopt a scoring system to choose immigrants.
In short, young people are scored higher than old people, educated higher than uneducated, high salary higher than low salary, fluent in English higher than otherwise.....

Pros: may be good for economy, may be fair to those who work hard
Cons: may violate the founding principles of the US, may be bad for low-skilled Americans, "unfair" to those who struggle
The founding principles violated themselves.
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Old 08-04-2017, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Tulsa
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I grew up in an immigrant community and have seen many immigrants, and especially first generation Americans, bring themselves up from the lower middle class to become productive citizens: starting businesses, becoming doctors and scientists, etc. I believe the immigrant dream has always been a part of the identity of this country, and think the United States has been better off for it.
This is exactly the damage immigrants have done to this country.

They not only stole lower class jobs, they also stole professional jobs. Do you know the CEO of Microsoft is an immigrant? With countless Americans struggling to put food on the table, working two jobs to make the ends meet, Microsoft is still using cheap foreign workers to replace Americans.
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Old 08-04-2017, 11:04 PM
 
Location: California
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All of them I suspect.
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Old 08-04-2017, 11:04 PM
 
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A million people could try to replicate what business titans have done, and wouldn't be able to. So you can't say that one of his competitors would have been able to, if only Bloomberg weren't around.

And it's way more than one or two successful immigrants.
Bloomberg never benefited me in any way. I'm sure if I researched him I could find lots of things to not like. I don't know, isn't he anti-coal and anti-fracking so he wants to raise my energy cost. So there's that. Why don't you talk about George Sorros he's a foreigner and a billionaire?
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