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Old 08-12-2017, 04:41 PM
TKO
 
Location: On the Border
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Private sector unions that have driven entire industries out of their states and in many cases out of this country. They have driven the price of American Labor through the roof in many cases and in all negotiations the monetary gain of the union leadership is always first in the negotiations. Are there industries that should have this extra layer yes there are some but as we have seen for many industries workers can be treated fairly and compensated adequately without the 1000lb gorilla.
I would argue the chase to maximize shareholder return is responsible for all these things just as much, if not more, than any union demanding that their workers share enough of the profits to be able to live a decent life. Different perspective?
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Old 08-12-2017, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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I would argue the chase to maximize shareholder return is responsible for all these things just as much, if not more, than any union demanding that their workers share enough of the profits to be able to live a decent life. Different perspective?
Agree but when teachers union contact includes a @10,000$ a month payment to the union "to provide collective bargaining representation" Why should the residents pay for the union who is already being paid by its members? Greed???
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Old 08-12-2017, 05:20 PM
 
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I have always worked non-union and would not it to change for me growing up I saw the following:

-My dad would lose hours at his job due to sympathy strikes that got him nothing (6 strikes in 20 years, 5 were sympathy)
-I spent several years starting the school year sitting in the gym because the teachers were on strike again!
-I couldn't enter a trade because without 6 relatives in a trade union I couldn't get an apprentice card.

There was a time and much was accomplished in the past. What I see today are public sector unions who bleed the communities they serve dry with their demands. Private sector unions that have driven entire industries out of their states and in many cases out of this country. They have driven the price of American Labor through the roof in many cases and in all negotiations the monetary gain of the union leadership is always first in the negotiations. Are there industries that should have this extra layer yes there are some but as we have seen for many industries workers can be treated fairly and compensated adequately without the 1000lb gorilla.



I worked for the railroad for 37 years. started in 1973. Retired in 2010. In 1973 my starting wage was $4.03 per hour.......................in 2010 it was $25.33. I barely kept up with inflation..........


Calculate the value of $1 in 1973
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Old 08-12-2017, 05:25 PM
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Location: On the Border
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Agree but when teachers union contact includes a @10,000$ a month payment to the union "to provide collective bargaining representation" Why should the residents pay for the union who is already being paid by its members? Greed???
I purposely didn't quote the "public union" part of the post I was responding to. I'm not against them, but they are a different animal and should be part of a different discussion. I know here where I live we have a lot of right wingers on the school board as well as the state education dept., they continually try to hose our teachers so not all results from teacher's unions bad.
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Old 08-12-2017, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Lack of strong unions are a detriment to those looking for jobs and careers. Unions are an option when employers are not willing to raise salaries or improve benefit's for their employees.

The lack of strong unions are 1 less bargaining position for every employee of every company. The lack of strong unions are to the benefit of employers.

You do not have to belong to a union to benefit from having strong unions in the area you live and work.
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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I worked for the railroad for 37 years. started in 1973. Retired in 2010. In 1973 my starting wage was $4.03 per hour.......................in 2010 it was $25.33. I barely kept up with inflation..........


Calculate the value of $1 in 1973
So according to your link your $4.03 per hour gave you the equivalent buying power of $22.89 in2017 that means your buying power went up about $2.50 per hour over a 37 year career. And what did the union do for you again?
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Old 08-12-2017, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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I bet he has health care and a pension. What's that worth? In fact how many Companies without unions have dropped their pensions. Most people in the state I am in do not even know what a pension is and finish their lives in poverty.


Friends ask how I was able to retire at 55 and I tell them I have a pension. Then I have to explain what it is. SAD.
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:39 PM
 
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I bet he has health care and a pension. What's that worth? In fact how many Companies without unions have dropped their pensions. Most people in the state I am in do not even know what a pension is and finish their lives in poverty.


Friends ask how I was able to retire at 55 and I tell them I have a pension. Then I have to explain what it is. SAD.
Wow, good for you. Unions look out for their employees. We have healthcare for life because of unions.
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Long Island, New York
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Unions are good for working people.
no they are not

is it good for a working person, when the union forces everyone to strike, with threats of being beat-up or killed if you cross a picket line...even though you feel you are being treated well and paid proportionately for your job...

unions are about greed
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:43 PM
 
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The problem with unions and I am talking about unions representing public employees is that they are wasting taxpayer money for their benefit.

Look at Illinois. On the verge of insolvency due to pension deals cut with the unions that are impossible to fulfill.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/repor...ension-crisis/

I think its time to ban unions from the public sector. End collective bargaining nationwide. Make it illegal.

Its the public's money not the unions. Time to end this nonsense.
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