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He claimed that in his mind, oral sex is not the same as "sexual relations", and he played fast and loose with the meaning of the word "is".d.
Not "in his mind". Clinton's lawyer asked the court for a definition of sexual relations and the court's definition did not include oral sex received by Clinton.
"Unfortunately, the definition still contained ambiguities. Who are the "persons" mentioned in the definition? Clinton interpreted it this way:
"For the purposes of this deposition, a person [the deponent, in this case, Clinton] engages in sexual relations when the person [Clinton] knowingly engages in or causes:
1. Contact with the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks of any person [that is, any other person, in this case, Monica Lewinsky] with an intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person [Lewinsky];
Contact means intentional touching, either directly or through clothing."
Given that understanding, the definition clearly does not include oral sex performed on Clinton. Why? Because oral sex is performed with the mouth, and "mouth" is not listed among the other body parts in point 1. Furthermore, a man receiving oral sex is generally considered to be receiving pleasure rather than giving it, and so fails the criterion "to arouse or gratify the sexual desire" of Ms. Lewinsky. Which may make Clinton sexually selfish, but that is not illegal.
Impeachment occurs when a simply majority of the US House votes for impeachment. Today if all Democrats in the house voted to impeach, they only need ~24 Republican votes in order to impeach.
Once the US House votes to impeach, then 2/3 (67) of US Senators must vote to remove the president from office, else the president can stay in office.
If all 48 D and I Senators voted to remove Trump from office, they would need 19 R Senators to vote to remove Trump from office in order to get the 2/3 majority.
In the case of Bill Clinton, he was impeached via the US House but the Senate didn't have enough votes to remove him from office. Clinton remained president until the end of his term.
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The "smoking gun" was supposed to be that Trump's son met with a Russian lawyer in the U.S. with the intent to discuss opposition research but he never did. That is hardly grounds for impeaching a President.
Really nothing to see here, if that's all there is.
The "smoking gun" was supposed to be that Trump's son met with a Russian lawyer in the U.S. with the intent to discuss opposition research but he never did. That is hardly grounds for impeaching a President.
Really nothing to see here, if that's all there is.
That is not all there is. This is just an early and easy opening shot while the longer term Senate and FBI investigations look at more complicated matters.
If Trump gets impeached and removed from office, Mike Pence becomes president, not Hillary. The only reason why dems/libs threaten impeachment because they think they can replace him with Hillary. It's never going to happen.
Not "in his mind". Clinton's lawyer asked the court for a definition of sexual relations and the court's definition did not include oral sex received by Clinton.
"Unfortunately, the definition still contained ambiguities. Who are the "persons" mentioned in the definition? Clinton interpreted it this way:
"For the purposes of this deposition, a person [the deponent, in this case, Clinton] engages in sexual relations when the person [Clinton] knowingly engages in or causes:
1. Contact with the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks of any person [that is, any other person, in this case, Monica Lewinsky] with an intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person [Lewinsky];
Contact means intentional touching, either directly or through clothing."
Given that understanding, the definition clearly does not include oral sex performed on Clinton. Why? Because oral sex is performed with the mouth, and "mouth" is not listed among the other body parts in point 1. Furthermore, a man receiving oral sex is generally considered to be receiving pleasure rather than giving it, and so fails the criterion "to arouse or gratify the sexual desire" of Ms. Lewinsky. Which may make Clinton sexually selfish, but that is not illegal.
What was in his mind was at the heart of it. It makes all the difference in whether he was perjuring himself. In the Paula Jones deposition, he said he has never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky and that he never had an affair. It turns out that they did engage in oral sex on several occasions, so I think most people would consider that both sexual relations AND and affair.
You do know that "impeached" just means charged?
The Senate then votes to convict or not.
If they vote guilty then the President has no more power, power then rests with his successor.
I assumed the question referred to both stages of the process, and that most others read it the same way. Probably a bad move on my part.
I believe, though, that the intent of the OP was to ask about what would happen if both parts of the process of official removal were completed.
If Trump is impeached and refuses to leave office, would you support him?
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Originally Posted by bawac34618
Let's say hypothetically Trump is impeached. I know most people believe the entire thing is a nothing burger and Trump impeachment is simply a liberal fantasy. Let's say for a moment that Mueller found something and that Trump was impeached. Would you support him if he refused to leave office at that point? Or, for the sake of the rule or law, would you accept the impeachment?
If Trump gets impeached and removed from office, Mike Pence becomes president, not Hillary. The only reason why dems/libs threaten impeachment because they think they can replace him with Hillary. It's never going to happen.
The only time Dems think of Hillary is when you guys bring her up. She's gone, not in the news, not having rallies.
Frankly, if the truth be known, we're glad she's gone. We're ready to move on.
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If Trump is impeached and refuses to leave office, would you support him?
