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View Poll Results: Would you support Trump is he refused to leave office on impeachment?
Yes, Trump should resist impeachment and I would support him 30 28.57%
No, for the sake of the rule of law, Trump should leave office upon impeachment 75 71.43%
Voters: 105. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-05-2017, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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That douche bag Bill Clinton was impeached and he didn't beat down the door trying to leave office. He was the only President to be impeached for leaving a semen stain on an interns dress. Bunch of hypocrical liberal dumbocrats.
Sorry-
Clinton was accused of lying of perjury and obstruction of justice. Those were the charges brought to the House committee. The House was a lame-duck House, and voted impeachment could proceed to the Senate, the chamber where the charges are decided.

In the Senate, Clinton was cleared of all charges by the Senate, so he was found innocent. An innocent President is not doing his duty if he quits.

In fact, quitting could be construed as a crime itself; a dereliction of duty. is a criminal military offense, and a President is the commander-in-chief.

But fallout in the House was massive, even though Clinton wasn't convicted.

Newt Gingrich resigned, his replacement as Speaker, Bob Livingston resigned the second he was made Speaker, and Dan Burton, Helen Chenoweth, and Henry Hyde all decided not to run for re-election.

They were all Republicans with their own affairs to cover up, and all voted for impeachment.That's the outcome of hypocrisy. None ever served in office again.

The proceedings crippled the GOP for the next 4 years, and ended Newt Gingrich's stellar career. Gingrich was the father of the modern Republican party.

His Contract With America was what gave the GOP their first House majority in decades. Nowadays, he can't be elected Dogcatcher, but he sure has tried.

If Trump was found innocent by the Senate, he would not be forced to leave.

But damage would come for sure. To the Democratic party, possibly, or the Republican party, but certainly to the Presidency. Clinton was just as popular as Trump is, but his second term was crippled, and he had a favorable Congress in that term.

But your cheap name-calling is noticed. If that's all you have to defend Trump, you're just throwing hot air balls at his accusers. Hypocrisy is where name-calling abides, and it has a way of cutting those who sling it first the deepest. Better come up with something more substantial next time.
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Old 08-05-2017, 04:45 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Sorry-
Clinton was accused of lying of perjury and obstruction of justice. Those were the charges brought to the House committee. The House was a lame-duck House, and voted impeachment could proceed to the Senate, the chamber where the charges are decided.

In the Senate, Clinton was cleared of all charges by the Senate, so he was found innocent. An innocent President is not doing his duty if he quits.

In fact, quitting could be construed as a crime itself; a dereliction of duty. is a criminal military offense, and a President is the commander-in-chief.

But fallout in the House was massive, even though Clinton wasn't convicted.

Newt Gingrich resigned, his replacement as Speaker, Bob Livingston resigned the second he was made Speaker, and Dan Burton, Helen Chenoweth, and Henry Hyde all decided not to run for re-election.

They were all Republicans with their own affairs to cover up, and all voted for impeachment.That's the outcome of hypocrisy. None ever served in office again.

The proceedings crippled the GOP for the next 4 years, and ended Newt Gingrich's stellar career. Gingrich was the father of the modern Republican party.

His Contract With America was what gave the GOP their first House majority in decades. Nowadays, he can't be elected Dogcatcher, but he sure has tried.

If Trump was found innocent by the Senate, he would not be forced to leave.

But damage would come for sure. To the Democratic party, possibly, or the Republican party, but certainly to the Presidency. Clinton was just as popular as Trump is, but his second term was crippled, and he had a favorable Congress in that term.

But your cheap name-calling is noticed. If that's all you have to defend Trump, you're just throwing hot air balls at his accusers. Hypocrisy is where name-calling abides, and it has a way of cutting those who sling it first the deepest. Better come up with something more substantial next time.
In all fairness, he was only defending him against a ludicrous hypothetical. Perhaps your criticism should start there?
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Old 08-05-2017, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Let's say hypothetically Trump is impeached. I know most people believe the entire thing is a nothing burger and Trump impeachment is simply a liberal fantasy. Let's say for a moment that Mueller found something and that Trump was impeached. Would you support him if he refused to leave office at that point? Or, for the sake of the rule or law, would you accept the impeachment?
Hillary will never be President.

It's OK though. You'll live.
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Old 08-05-2017, 05:39 PM
 
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I cannot vote on a hypothetical question that should never happen. I don't think the powers behind this witch hunt realize how strong his supporters are. They need to back off.
Dem politicos understand what a clusterfrack this is turning into.

Democrats fear Russia probe blowback - POLITICO

Dems refused to accept Trump's presidency, created the lie of the Russian fairy tale, created a massive uproar, weakening the country and totally alienating Putin forever who we may need someday as things get worse with NK and China.
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Old 08-05-2017, 06:18 PM
 
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" If Trump is impeached and refuses to leave office, would you support him? "

I voted no, with a comment ...

I realize that this is just a hypothetical question, but he for sure can not refuse to leave office either after the end of an elected term nor if he is ordered to step down. The system is structured in such a way that all government employees (and all military) would know he has no authority and the Secret Service would step aside while the DC police were carrying his personal effects out to Pennsylvania Avenue.

That's just how it is, and no one should be under the illusion that it would be possible for him to refuse to leave, if it came to that.
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Old 08-05-2017, 06:26 PM
 
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That’s not going to happen.




The United States constitution sets up strict requirements for removal of a sitting president for transgressions of “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors,” and a process that requires the consent of both the House and two-thirds of the Senate. The 25[SIZE=2]th[/SIZE] amendment further created a process whereby the president’s own lieutenants could remove him from office if he is “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office,” a process that has never been tested after being ratified in 1968 in the aftermath of JFK’s assassination. One president, Richard Nixon, resigned before articles of impeachment could be brought against him. Two other presidents have had articles impeachment brought against them in the House, though they were ultimately acquitted by the Senate.


https://qz.com/932814/heres-what-it-...-might-happen/
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Old 08-05-2017, 06:32 PM
 
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If Trump was impeached the evidence would be so overwhelming that any resistance would collapse.
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Old 08-05-2017, 06:51 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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You can't impeach Trump simply because you don't like him.
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Old 08-05-2017, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
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Technically after Impeachment by the House he is still President.

He has to next be convicted by the Senate before removal.

So yes, I still would consider POTUS to be my President even if impeached.

It doesn't mean I have to bow down and kiss the ground he walks on.
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Old 08-05-2017, 07:17 PM
 
Location: California
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It's not going happen
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