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Old 08-05-2017, 08:11 PM
 
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I personally would like the government to get out of the health insurance business and maybe do a little healthcare regulating
Like Wall Street?
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Old 08-05-2017, 08:16 PM
 
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Pretty simple question. Whats your vision on how healthcare should be done or look like? Imagine you start from scratch with no lefties or liberal politicians about to obstruct changes? So a purely republican/conservative solution.

What kind of free market system would you want to deal with pre-exisiting conditions, hospital costs, allowing kids to stay on their parents' insurance, etc.

Stole this from another forum, but its filled with liberals(I'm one myself) so I not sure if an honest answer was really given.
I bet it's a healthcare system based on private companies. The poor can't afford it so too bad for them. Dead people on the streets and republicans just step over their bodies. Hospitals have great medical support for those who can afford them, but if you can't afford them, you are turned away. Emergency rooms do not treat without proof of the ability to pay. Private market driving medicine, you got to love it.
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Old 08-05-2017, 08:17 PM
 
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Do you have insurance? If you do, someone else is helping you pay for your "stuff."
Amazing how the rightwing nuts have no clue how insurance actually works.....amazing.
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Old 08-05-2017, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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good question. You'll be hard pressed to get an honest answer though. Conservatives are really good at tearing things down but not so much at creating workable legislation.
Probably because it's liberals that are always looking for Big Brother to 'create working legislation' to solve all your problems for you, which it never does. I don't expect government to solve problems for me, I'm not a sniveling helpless liberal.
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Old 08-05-2017, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Pretty simple question. Whats your vision on how healthcare should be done or look like?
Universal basic healthcare for all citizens at public hospital clinics. All legal citizens would be taxed on earned income from $1 for this benefit. Rationing would be inevitable, especially for end of life procedures and experimental treatments. Citizens who want more than basic service would pay for private insurance and private doctors. (In UK, only 8% of citizens have private insurance.)
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Old 08-05-2017, 08:23 PM
 
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The point that has been consistently overlooked here is that insurance and social welfare programs are two different venues; insurance is based upon the principle that individuals pool their resources (funds) to level the risks posed by a common (and specifically described) peril, but that principle is specifically violated when a group with higher levels of risk, such as pre=existing conditions is added to the pool
....except that "pre-existing conditions" can be applied to practically everyone, eventually, now or later. Everyone get sick, get old, get a chronic condition. So, if you take into account this eventuality for EVERYONE, then it is equal in a larger sense for everyone, and hence the equal application of risk does apply and it is completely fair. So pre-existing condition should not distort the cost over time and across the larger population.

A 21 year old may be healthy now, and he may whine about how his premiums do not help him directly. But in 20 or 30 years, he will be banking on another group of healthy 21 year olds to help fund his blood pressure meds or diabetes treatment. So how is this "pre-existing condition" a distortion?
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Old 08-05-2017, 08:26 PM
 
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Universal basic healthcare for all citizens at public hospital clinics. All legal citizens would be taxed on earned income from $1 for this benefit. Rationing would be inevitable, especially for end of life care. Citizens who want more than basic service would pay for private insurance and private doctors. (In UK, only 8% of citizens have private insurance.)
Most americans are too stupid and too brainwashed by capitalist business-industrial complex to ever consider this socialized system of healthcare. If you ask most Americans, they wont be able to define socialism. They just know that they dont like it...just that stupid.
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Old 08-05-2017, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Tennesee
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Universal basic healthcare for all citizens at public hospital clinics. All legal citizens would be taxed on earned income from $1 for this benefit. Rationing would be inevitable, especially for end of life procedures and experimental treatments. Citizens who want more than basic service would pay for private insurance and private doctors. (In UK, only 8% of citizens have private insurance.)
An honest answer. Thank you.
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Old 08-05-2017, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Pretty simple question. Whats your vision on how healthcare should be done or look like? Imagine you start from scratch with no lefties or liberal politicians about to obstruct changes? So a purely republican/conservative solution.

What kind of free market system would you want to deal with pre-exisiting conditions, hospital costs, allowing kids to stay on their parents' insurance, etc.

Stole this from another forum, but its filled with liberals(I'm one myself) so I not sure if an honest answer was really given.
In an ideal republican world, 25% of the population would be full-fledged members of their party, would be very wealthy and could easily pay out-of-pocket for their healthcare. The other 75% would be serfs, groveling for survival and being expendable, would receive no healthcare.

How would they manage to stay in power, with only 25% of the people? How do they do it today? By relying on the ignorance and gullibility of enough of the downtrodden, to believe the lie that republicans will do something for them.
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Old 08-05-2017, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Tennesee
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....except that "pre-existing conditions" can be applied to practically everyone, eventually, now or later. Everyone get sick, get old, get a chronic condition. So, if you take into account this eventuality for EVERYONE, then it is equal in a larger sense for everyone, and hence the equal application of risk does apply and it is completely fair. So pre-existing condition should not distort the cost over time and across the larger population.

A 21 year old may be healthy now, and he may whine about how his premiums do not help him directly. But in 20 or 30 years, he will be banking on another group of healthy 21 year olds to help fund his blood pressure meds or diabetes treatment. So how is this "pre-existing condition" a distortion?
There is also the issue of accidents. A person could be perfectly healthy, and then get hit by an uninsured driver, or break a neck falling from a bike. Then what?

Like I said before, everyone is sound and healthy...until they are not.
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