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Old 08-06-2017, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Prove it
Where was the criticism from the GOP on birtherism.
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Where was the criticism from the GOP on birtherism.
lol The GOP never supported it and it was never a big issue. Are you going to next ask, Where was the GOP support for obamacare? Obama worked the birthers, kept them focused on that and not the important issues.

The trump-Russia connection is the birther movement on steroids. Why else would Flake bring up the birthers now?
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:28 PM
 
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I didn't vote for Trump but I was hoping for more than this. It's not enough to be just against the ACA they had no idea of a solution the last 6 years. They were against the ACA because it belonged to Obama, they do not have an alternative.


The GOP stood by during the last election in an attempt to make us believe Trump was normal, there is nothing normal about him.
I agree completely.
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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i think birtherism will become the prime reference point for any BS conspiracy theory gaining traction online then moving into the mainstream. much like watergate is still the reference for any modern political scandal.


That you had to reference Watergate to make your point about birtherism disproves your claim.


Watergate was a real crime (a B&E) that developed into a conspiracy involving a sitting president.


Birtherism was a simple question of eligibility.


It was transformed, like all things touching the first black president, into convoluted accusations of foaming-at-the-mouth racism.


Sure, the first black president could have simply produced his long-form birth certificate for those not convinced by the birth announcement in the local Hawaiian news papers, but he saw it as an opportunity to advance his own racist narrative, so he played along, dragging it out for as long as possible to achieve maximum divisive effect.
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:54 PM
 
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That you had to reference Watergate to make your point about birtherism disproves your claim.


Watergate was a real crime (a B&E) that developed into a conspiracy involving a sitting president.


Birtherism was a simple question of eligibility.


It was transformed, like all things touching the first black president, into convoluted accusations of foaming-at-the-mouth racism.


Sure, the first black president could have simply produced his long-form birth certificate for those not convinced by the birth announcement in the local Hawaiian news papers, but he saw it as an opportunity to advance his own racist narrative, so he played along, dragging it out for as long as possible to achieve maximum divisive effect.

His mother was an American citizen and there was no need for him to show anything. It was all Trump and his Fake News attempting to rally the uneducated.
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:56 PM
 
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To quote someone else "At this point, what difference does it make?"
It doesn't make much difference, but he's showing us why the political culture has degenerated into petty bickering over nonsense, and why nothing gets done.

The petty shots at Trump are ridiculous, but Republicans have no room to complain about it because they almost all jumped on the birtherism nonsense, and nothing in political history has ever been pettier that that.
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Old 08-06-2017, 09:00 PM
 
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His mother was an American citizen and there was no need for him to show anything. It was all Trump and his Fake News attempting to rally the uneducated.
It appears the Republican party is now trying to blame Obama for the birthers.
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Old 08-06-2017, 09:04 PM
 
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I didn't vote for Trump but I was hoping for more than this. It's not enough to be just against the ACA they had no idea of a solution the last 6 years. They were against the ACA because it belonged to Obama, they do not have an alternative.


The GOP stood by during the last election in an attempt to make us believe Trump was normal, there is nothing normal about him.


"The GOP"?


The Tea Party movement has been warring with the establishment for years, so there is no unified GOP such that "the GOP" has any validity.


The Tea Party movement, white working-class Americans and Trump are all united in their opposition to the Republican establishment.


Having said that, Trump's appeal is that he is not normal.


Normal got us twenty trillion in debt and an economic system that continually favors the donor class, tax cheats, welfare recipients, illegals and everyone that wants to steal from working Americans.


Normal is establishment Republicans joining hands with Democrats to enslave the working class.


Normal is Hillary Clinton.


Normal the last thing 30 states wanted in 2016.
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Old 08-06-2017, 09:09 PM
 
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Jeff Flake: 'I wish we as a party had stood up' to the birther movement

good for flake.

i'm curious to know if the GOP had been more active in denouncing birtherism if trump would have still been able to have the success that he did. there is no denying that trump was able to use birtherism to launch himself into the political arena.
You know who started the "birther movement"? Hillary Clinton.

And surely you know Obama's own literary agent put out promotional materials saying Obama was born in Kenya, so there was nothing nutty about the "birther" thing.
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Old 08-06-2017, 09:11 PM
 
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It appears the Republican party is now trying to blame Obama for the birthers.
And rightly so. His people are the ones who put the evidence out there. If you've got someone telling he public that you were born in Kenya, you can't be surprised that people believe it.
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