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Old 08-08-2017, 08:04 AM
 
Location: USA
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I know which group contains a whole lot of people who think certain races and a sex need assistance because they can't do it in their own, and it's not conservatives.

Ironic isn't it? But, they make themselves "FEEL" better by being that way. Pretty condescending if you ask me.
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Old 08-08-2017, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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Best to keep your social and political thoughts to yourself at work.
Is that enough nowadays? At a place with a strong bent like Google, might silence be interpreted as guilt? Wouldn't it make more sense to pretend to follow the prevailing ideology and then quietly vote how you want at election time?
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Old 08-08-2017, 08:16 AM
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Location: Austin
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Is that enough nowadays? At a place with a strong bent like Google, might silence be interpreted as guilt? Wouldn't it make more sense to pretend to follow the prevailing ideology and then quietly vote how you want at election time?
You just explained in a nutshell exactly what happened in the November 2016 election and why Trump won.

Google fired the guy. Some SJW aren't happy with that. They are calling for him to be blackballed forever from the industry and want him financially destroyed. That is the scariest part of this story to me. Don't agree with us? We will ruin your life.

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Old 08-08-2017, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Saint Louis, Missouri Downtown
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I don't think its right to deny opportunity to anyone because of political affiliation. OTOH, if you want a culture of inclusion, you need to make sure everyone knows that out of pocket comments and affiliation with organizations who doesn't promote inclusion will not be tolerated.

Sometimes, umm, many times I find the democratic party are becoming bullies and very quick to state if you are prolife or you can't preach from the pulpit against certain sins or it will be considered as hate speech. That is almost as bad as what the GOP has going on in the White house.
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Old 08-08-2017, 08:27 AM
 
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From an outside point of view, this means Google and other companies only want to exist in an echo chamber. While politics should stay out of the work place, they do drive some of our decisions. What's next for Google, not hire and blacklist people who have differing engineering ir marketing approaches?
Just wait until they build all those SJW AI robots.
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Old 08-08-2017, 08:34 AM
 
Location: SoFlo
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Do you have a reference for that quote?
Exactly. While I agree Google had a legal right to fire him, I would suggest that people read the actual document (or at least what is available, I've yet to find the whole thing) before making a judgement on whether this is hate speech. I read what I could find and did not anything even close to that, but maybe I missed it. From what I could see, he presents his case with a lot of what appear to be respected studies on gender differences and how this may impact the success of diversity initiatives within Google. I read the media reaction to the manifesto first and was a bit surprised (or not given how the media grabs certain statements and uses them to support their opinion, which happens on both sides), when I saw the actual content - especially the opening statement.

What I would love to see is a real debate on this topic, instead of attacking the author's character, how about attacking the positions and studies put forth in his manifesto? That kind of discourse has pretty much disappeared from our society, and will ulimately keep our society and economy from progressing. This will hurt us all in the end, and probably even more those that these programs were designed to protect. BTW, I am a woman that works in technology, starting in the mid 90's when there really was rampant basis, and literally less than 5 women in senior product management / developer / architect positions in my company of 6,000. The way I earned the respect of my PhD all male staff was to prove that I could do the work and provide value they could not. If I had been a diversity candidate, I dont think I ever would have earned their respect. They would have had to tolerate me, but you cant force someone to respect you.
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Old 08-08-2017, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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Isn't this a private matter between an employer and employee?

I'm confused on what it has to do with me.
Your confusion aside, people still have a right to express their opinions on these matters. Besides, it offers us a cautionary tale that reminds us why we need to protect our rights at the federal level. This is what the left does every single time it feels it has gained enough power to get away with it. Every single time. What you see them doing to Google is exactly what they would do with our government as soon as they got the chance.
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Old 08-08-2017, 08:40 AM
 
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"It's more important for me to be able to express my hatred of women and minorities than it is for women and minorities to have a place here"
This is what I got from this story, and unfortunately the uber right leaning people in this country. They think their right to speak freely in some way makes society responsible for tolerating and not taking actions against their own words/ideas.

I read some of the memo this guy posted. It was inappropriate in the workplace and could have opened Google up to lawsuits if he were allowed to stay and lead teams that lacked any female employees in particular (since he focused a lot of his memo on women). They were right to get rid of him.

He and his ilk are the real "snowflakes" IMO. They want to talk the talk and then claim to be a victim when their employees and peers don't agree with them. They also want to claim to be some sort of free speech martyr just because they put their prejudice on display. It is sad that people want to be respected for their prejudicial and stereotypical beliefs. They can have those beliefs and even speak about them in our society, but they will have to deal with the consequences of their words like this man did/does.
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Old 08-08-2017, 08:45 AM
 
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Your confusion aside, people still have a right to express their opinions on these matters. Besides, it offers us a cautionary tale that reminds us why we need to protect our rights at the federal level. This is what the left does every single time it feels it has gained enough power to get away with it. Every single time. What you see them doing to Google is exactly what they would do with our government as soon as they got the chance.
No one denied him his right to do so, nor yourself.

As stated above, you have to deal with the consequences of your words/actions. This employee used an internal board to post this memo and it went out to the entire Google work staff. If he lead a team in the future and it lacked female team members, the women who were passed up could sue for discrimination against Google and it would cost them financially.

Also when you work for a company/organization, you agree to follow their policies. Google has a policy on this issue and he violated it.

FWIW our government also has policies against workplace discrimination and language. Practically all larger organizations and companies have similar policies. These do not say that you cannot be prejudiced and speak in stereotypes, but it does mean that you cannot do it at work and you as an employee represent a company and its image. If you are not the image the company wants, they can get rid of you.

Go and find a company that likes stereotypical and discriminatory language in the workplace. There actually are companies that have no issues with it. The evil "left" as you see them have not made you not able to say what you want to say. However, when anyone hears something that they disagree with, they have a right to respond to those words. You all need to put on your big boy pants and deal with it and not blame a mystical evil "left" for you issues.
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Old 08-08-2017, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Google, Amazon, Yahoo, MSN, etc. All far left, radical, social justice warrior companies. I won't buy anything from them. Too liberal/progressive, and intolerant of other views. No thanks.
Kind of like the Christian baker in Colorado who refused to accommodate gays?
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