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Old 08-08-2017, 09:25 AM
 
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Now the echo chamber echos back with two words, loudly and clear, "SHUT UP!"
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Old 08-08-2017, 09:26 AM
 
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Would Google fire a woman for commenting on the diversity policy? Obviously not as we can see from all the internal responses to this incident. Different standards for different sexes is illegal sex discrimination.
When you see a memo written by a woman that stereotypes the "average African American" with a bunch of prejudiced views, I bet you will see her fired lol.

Less liberal companies fire people for this sort of thing all the time.

Only reason you know about this one is because it's Google and Google is a huge, well known, technological giant.

I've personally terminated people over stuff like this they've sent in emails and texts (on corp phones) at companies (plural!) that I've worked at.
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Old 08-08-2017, 09:27 AM
 
Location: SC
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From an outside point of view, this means Google and other companies only want to exist in an echo chamber. While politics should stay out of the work place, they do drive some of our decisions. What's next for Google, not hire and blacklist people who have differing engineering ir marketing approaches?
Of course they do.

Companies create "Mission Statements," "Codes of Conduct," "Corporate Values Statements," and "Corporate Goals" to TELL their employees what is expected of them and how it is expected to be done. There is nothing new there.
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Old 08-08-2017, 09:31 AM
 
Location: USA
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Would Google fire a woman for commenting on the diversity policy? Obviously not as we can see from all the internal responses to this incident. Different standards for different sexes is illegal sex discrimination.

Great point. As Heston said in "Planet of the Apes", 'It seems some apes are more equal than others."
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Old 08-08-2017, 09:38 AM
 
Location: SC
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Would Google fire a woman for commenting on the diversity policy? Obviously not as we can see from all the internal responses to this incident. Different standards for different sexes is illegal sex discrimination.
So, you pose a question and then answer it yourself using your own bias. If a woman wrote a manifesto within the company - one that goes directly against corporate policy - I would expect that she would be fired too. What evidence - where have you seen any examples that disprove this?
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Old 08-08-2017, 09:51 AM
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I agree with your post, and the bolded in particular. Google was right to get rid of him. I read it and it was extremely inappropriate.
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Nowadays, speaking the truth is extremely inappropriate.
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It was HIS truth. And, he had every right to say what he thought was true. Google had every right to get rid of him for saying it, too.

That's how free speech works.
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Agree. There's no such thing as 'consequences-free-speech'.
Mr. Google determined what is inappropriate. Mr. Damore has the right to his memo, he doesn't have the right to be a Google employee.
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Old 08-08-2017, 09:52 AM
 
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I think the bold was the reason for his being terminated. If he truly believes that "the average woman" is all those things he cited, then he opens up Google to a lot of discrimination suits by female staff.

As a woman, I honestly do believe that men are also prone to anxiety and are rather sensitive. They just may not show it in your face. But a woman who is emotional usually gets over whatever it is that got her emotional and will move on and do her best to do better. I do feel men and women are different biologically (of course!) but both genders are prone to anxiety. We just show that anxiety in different ways. I also do feel that women are assertive, it is just that oftentimes women are overly criticized for being assertive and some women will bend to the will of the criticizers and change their tone/behavior/actions to fit in with more of a docile "lady like" role. Honestly though, I don't see this often in the workplace today. But my line of work is not overly male dominated like the technology industry.
Even if he was right about the anxiety- so what, that is theirs to deal with, it doesn't make them ineffective. Maybe when a woman asserts herself or expresses emotions, this guy sees "female anxiety". And that makes him uncomfortable.
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Old 08-08-2017, 09:53 AM
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I don't disagree that Google could fire him.

I disagreed you calling his memo "inappropriate" without any supporting argument.
Mr. Google defined what is inappropriate.

Just curious, how do you define inappropriate in the workplace, if it were up to you to define?
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Old 08-08-2017, 09:55 AM
 
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As a woman, I honestly do believe that men are also prone to anxiety and are rather sensitive. They just may not show it in your face. But a woman who is emotional usually gets over whatever it is that got her emotional and will move on and do her best to do better. I do feel men and women are different biologically (of course!) but both genders are prone to anxiety. We just show that anxiety in different ways. I also do feel that women are assertive, it is just that oftentimes women are overly criticized for being assertive and some women will bend to the will of the criticizers and change their tone/behavior/actions to fit in with more of a docile "lady like" role. Honestly though, I don't see this often in the workplace today. But my line of work is not overly male dominated like the technology industry.
Well this dude was obviously sensitive on top of being stupid. Have you seen his photo? Super nerd, graduated from Harvard, making 6 figures in lovely Cali, working at a tech giant with endless opportunities, and this fool still mad at life! Blows me away.
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Old 08-08-2017, 10:00 AM
 
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Even though I personally disagree with firing him, I would've fired him too. It was simply necessary to avoid a massive public backlash/boycotts/etc. Google had a responsibility to its shareholders (myself included) to do this.
If you think that way fine. However do you stay consistent when Google makes corporate decisions to promote liberals views that create backlash from moderates and conservatives?
I mean Google has done things like put up a workers unite theme on May Day which pissed off a lot of people.
Should the person who came up with that idea (and anyone who approved it) be fired?
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