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Old 08-11-2017, 08:12 AM
 
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I don't think he is saying that at all. It is more being genuine to who you are, and your natural make up, and not "pretending" to be something else. Men, and women are different and have different traits. No?
Aside from sex based physiology, No, not really. There are differences in societal expectations, no doubt, but gender identity is more of an invisible dragon in the basement.

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From empathy and sexuality to science inclination and extroversion, statistical analysis of 122 different characteristics involving 13,301 individuals shows that men and women, by and large, do not fall into different groups. In other words, no matter how strange and inscrutable your partner may seem, their gender is probably only a small part of the problem.
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...-maf020113.php
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Old 08-11-2017, 08:14 AM
 
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Yes, that's right. And females have male traits and males have female traits -- it's a question of how much you have of each. In order to not be a fake unhappy hypocrite, you need to acknowledge what you are.
Is the bull crap trait male or female? I'm seeing it from both.
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Old 08-11-2017, 09:00 AM
 
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Yes, that's right. And females have male traits and males have female traits -- it's a question of how much you have of each. In order to not be a fake unhappy hypocrite, you need to acknowledge what you are.
But, do you think those traits are strictly nature, nurture, or a combo of both?
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Old 08-11-2017, 09:08 AM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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Individuals can be whatever they want if it doesn't hurt anyone else. You have completely misunderstood everything I said.

Categories and personality types are real. There would be no science of psychology or sociology, or any kind of study of human nature if we did not make generalizations.

I personally don't fit the female stereotype very well, and I am glad the society allows that. I agree with Liberals on that -- people should not be forced into stereotypes.

However, most of my female friends do fit the female stereotypes pretty well, and most of my male friends fit the male stereotypes pretty well.
And which male stereotype would that be? An oaf that is all brawn and no brains?

Essentially, I see the attitude that you are expressing on this thread (and I'm not singling you out, because it is shared by many, many women) as a "holier than thou" sort of thing. Almost like you'd see men as pet pit bulls that you can cuddle and are certain far smarter than, but there is always that element of unpredictability and danger lurking in Fido. And Fido can take to the ring and fight if you need him to. I view that outlook as being no better than men treating all women as pin-up honeys in a magazine that are good for dinner and a romp in the sack.

Those stereotypes are another ploy in the myriad of attempts on almost everything our species does to dominate and self-superiorize (yeah, new word).

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Violence is for DEFENSE. In the past, before we lived under a gigantic all-powerful military state, people had to defend themselves. It was more often the men.

In primitive societies, men did most of the hunting, while women gathered plants for food and medicine. Men were usually the warriors.

This is deeply programmed into our genes.

If you can't see it, you are just another dumb science denier.
And what else did women do in those societies? How about they were treated not much better than cattle? Often worse--baby machines, love dolls, and servants. The reason males did the hunting and females "kept the home fires burning" is because, physically, that's how males and females were best adapted--males are on average bigger and stronger than females. And, as you've pointed out, males tended to be more domineering. But, there are no bears to kill and there are no acorns to gather, if you haven't noticed. We've moved beyond that.

And I'd like to think that our species has risen above being mere apes, although I certainly have profound doubts and reservations.

That "deep programming" that you refer to is responsible for more misery on our planet than anything else, including disease and natural disaster. It's a better killer than black death was. The "need" to dominate others needs to be bred out of us, not embraced. And if I really thought that as a male, that's what I was supposed to be or do (dominate), I'd be right in line behind "Kaitlyn" Jenner. I flatly refuse that role, because if there is one tenet Satan stood for (if you believe that particular flavor of religion), it was to dominate and control others (the ultimate alpha male). No thank you.
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Old 08-11-2017, 10:36 AM
 
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And what else did women do in those societies? How about they were treated not much better than cattle? Often worse--baby machines, love dolls, and servants. The reason males did the hunting and females "kept the home fires burning" is because, physically, that's how males and females were best adapted--males are on average bigger and stronger than females. And, as you've pointed out, males tended to be more domineering. But, there are no bears to kill and there are no acorns to gather, if you haven't noticed. We've moved beyond that.
You are very very wrong. Like so many Americans who believe in modern Western superiority, and who have never read a book on anthropology.

Primitive tribes, in general, were far more egalitarian than modern societies. Even more than our own "enlightened" modern society. Females were, in general, NOT oppressed at all. There were American Indian tribes where, for example, females were involved in important decisions, just like the males.

Many examples can be found, but you would unfortunately have to read book.
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Old 08-11-2017, 10:40 AM
 
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But, do you think those traits are strictly nature, nurture, or a combo of both?
We do not know, and you should know that we do not know. However, we do know that many personality traits can be at least partly inherited. It is just a myth that everything is learned.

And the most casual observation of children shows that little girls love to wear pink and they play with dolls, while little boys play with toy trucks and toy guns.

Do you really still think their parents forced them to play with certain toys and wear certain colors??

And by the way, I was one of those little girls who never played with baby dolls, never wanted to wear pink, and always wanted to play outside. But as I said, none of us are absolutely one sex or the other.
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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First of all, I will always take being called old school as a compliment, whether it is meant that way or not.

Your comment was related to me abbreviating homosexual by typing homo.

Now I want you to serious think about what I am going to say.

In the very sentence I used the shortened homo, I also shortened heterosexual by saying hetero. Yet you did not highlight that. Now ask yourself why you seemingly object to me typing homo, but do not raise an eyebrow when I typed hetero?

I propose that you have been conditioned into a reaction based on political correctness, maybe without even knowing it.
Now rest assured PC does not have a place in my life, but many have been brainwashed with it. To the point of them knee-jerking over a term that does not even apply to them. As a matter of fact, many people get more upset than the group of people it is said about. It is almost as if these PC indoctrinated people feel compelled to act on behalf of others, despite the people who the comment is about not feeling offended.

The same is true of shorting transsexual by typing tranny. The most famous tranny is some guy named RuPaul, and he not only uses the term himself, but has said many times it is not considered offense by his community.
So if homos and tranny's do not object to those terms (and assuming you are neither of those), why (honestly) do you think my shortening the terms (like I did with hetero) caused you to react in the manner that you did



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Out of all I posted..that's what you focus on? You sure read a lot into what I said. It was a simple statement.....but if the shoe fits...I do believe that pc has no place in your life..I guess you see this as matter of pride?

To each his own...for me...thère is a lot of 'old school' stuff which is better left on the dust pile of history.
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:48 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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For the same reason I do not subscribe to the transgenderism that seems to be sweeping through our nation (no offense to those TG on this board, but gender identity doesn't make a lick of sense to me), I do not subscribe to the gender identity you are peddling either. You cannot tell me what it's like to be a woman any more than I can tell you what it's like to be a woman. I can tell you what it's like to be Cassy, and you can tell what it's like to be good4nothin.


I agree that anyone who would be insulted by that is ridiculous. I've never personally met such a person. I get annoyed by people who just let the door close in your face because that's just rude.
I have run across such people. I was told as I held the door "I can open my own doors. I'm not helpless". Ummm...ok then. Pardon me all to hell. Still, I couldn't in good conscience let a door swing shut in someone's face. I've also had that happen, from both men and women, and yes it is just flat rude.

Sheesh, I hold doors and allow other men to enter ahead of me at stores and such. It's not a courtesy I give just to women, but there are some that are singular. Tipping my hat, standing from the table in a restaurant when a lady joins the table, walking on the street side when walking with a lady (my Mom drilled that into me). The latter actually used to confuse and annoy my lady, as she was not raised in the same way I was.

She grew up on a ranch like I did (albeit not running cattle) however my Dad was a Naval officer, and my Mom an officers wife. Proper etiquette and manners were paramount in our house. The street side escort was one my Mom put into me and it stuck. Lol, as I said, it did annoy my lady but I refused to give it up. She got used to it in the end. Along with all my other ...ideosynchrasies. ...because I just refused to give up my upbringing. I taught my own son to be the same way.

This very much annoyed his mother, who I have to say is one of those female supremacist types. Her own Mother is lite more than a lower pri.ate where manners are concerned and this rubbed off on my ex. She also attempted to quash my upbringing, calling it "stupid" (her favorite word). That got my middle finger but I did stop all courtesy for her (stupid this then) and continued to raise my son to be a real gentleman in my family's traditions.

It was interesting when I stopped the courtesy for my ex. All of a sudden she was more helpless than she thought. The one that really put her over the edge was the toilet seat. Lmao, hey, if she could open her own doors, pullout her own chair, whatever the action, I figured her arms weren't broke. If I had to lift it up she could bloody well put it down. Yep, and she repeatedly sat down without looking. Cussed me like a San Diego sailor, but I ever again put the seat back down for her benefit. I figured if she considered all the other courtesies and such I was raised to do were "stupid", she could just deal with a total lack of all such courtesy men are supposed to give. She was the one person I had no issues putting my upbringing aside for. I afforded every one of them to all other women, wives of friends, any other ladies but the wo.an who was supposed to be my wife did without. By her own request as far as I was concerned. She epitomized the type of woman who have tainted what "feminism" is supposed to represent.

And something as small as the toilet seat drove the lynch pin point straight home. Since my family's traditions of etiquette and courtesy were so "stupid" I just rationalized that the best courtesy I could afford her was not observing them where she was concerned. Lol, we are divorced for good reason. Wo.en like her set male:female relations back to the stone age.

I generally still observe the old school traditions of gentlemanly behavior, though more and more I am made to feel like an anachronism. I have noticed that very young women (the late teeners early 20 somethings) can be very rude a d down right crass when an older guy like me affords them a traditional courtesy. Young men in that same age bracket have similar lack of anything resembling etiquette. Both genders will openly insult and demean older folks in a manner that brings my ex to mind. Perhaps upbringing by jaded and bitter parents is as much an issue as anything. Every issue like this has a seed that rooted at some point. What things might look like in another 20 years if things continue as they are is a bit disconcerting. And minus a huge cultural shift back to times past I don't see any improvement being on the horizon.
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:06 PM
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I appreciate when men hold doors open, open car doors, walk on the roadside of the sidewalk and offer a hand when walking over something. It's a courtesy that many young men do not extend these days.

I am not a weak woman. I can certainly do things for myself. It's nice be shown respect from my husband by him doing those things. I wish more men showed woman that respect.
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Why is it necessary for a society to be masculine in order to be a successful and thriving one? If a society becomes more feminine, then so what?
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