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Old 08-11-2017, 02:45 PM
 
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We do not know, and you should know that we do not know. However, we do know that many personality traits can be at least partly inherited. It is just a myth that everything is learned.
There is no behavior that is strictly tied to physiology. Human behavior, human everything, is multifactorial. I think there has been enough evidence provided in this thread to show you that you are quite wrong in your gender assumptions.

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And the most casual observation of children shows that little girls love to wear pink and they play with dolls, while little boys play with toy trucks and toy guns.
Casual observation would have turned this color trait on its head a hundred years ago.

"The Sunday Sentinel noted in March 1914: “Use pink for the boy and blue for the girl, if you are a follower of convention.”

Four years later, in June 1918, the US magazine Ladies’ Home Journal registered that there was some confusion but added: “… the generally accepted rule is pink for the boys, and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger colour, is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl.”"


When Did Girls Start Wearing Pink? | Arts & Culture | Smithsonian

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Do you really still think their parents forced them to play with certain toys and wear certain colors??

And by the way, I was one of those little girls who never played with baby dolls, never wanted to wear pink, and always wanted to play outside. But as I said, none of us are absolutely one sex or the other.
What you are saying has nothing to do with sex, but social constructs.
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Our society has been increasingly feminized mostly by liberal/progressive ideology.
I would argue it's the other way around: The feminization of society has made it more liberal. This feminization is a result of industrial/technological civilization, I would argue (which is why ALL advanced nations have become more feminine). Due to industrialization and urbanization, we do not need to have so many people hunting for dinner and plowing fields, thus reducing the need for manly physical labor. As manly physical labor becomes less of a necessity, manliness will become less and less valued by society. Another trait of this will be increased cooperation and understanding (globalization is one such result of this mindset) and less confrontation. In fact, democracy itself could be argued is a feminine system because it relies on cooperation and consent rather than brute force and coercion.
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
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I am female, so this is not meant as a criticism of women. We females have our nature, which is necessary for any society. But men also have their nature, which is also necessary.

Now, of course, women have some male traits and men have some female traits. But overall, there are general tendencies. Women are less interested in competition and more interested in cooperation. Women are more interested in love, and less interested in violence.

Of course you will find exceptions all over the place. Please just look at general tendencies. Women are MUCH less interested in violence than men are, or in violent sports.

Our society has been increasingly feminized mostly by liberal/progressive ideology.

So this means men will hide their violent competitive natures and become hypocrites. And our nation will deny the need for strong defense.

This is why, I think, Trump was elected. He seems to be tough. I am not saying I like Trump, just that I can see why half the country does like him, and his supporters are more likely to be male.

The wimpification of our society is a problem. Women don't mind as much as men, because at least our natures are not being warped by it. But men's are.

The election of Trump is a backlash.

The other day I was outside and I stomped on a bug. A man who happens to be a Liberal saw me and he said "Why'd you kill that bug? it wasn't hurting you." When I was a kid I never killed bugs, I could not stand to cause harm to any living thing. I was brainwashed into liberal ideology. But I have gradually over many years tried to de-program myself. Women used to be a lot tougher than we are now, also. Men certainly were.
Are you serious? My oldest son is a big non nonsense guy and a conservative. I've seen him catch harmless spiders in the house and release them outside - it just never occurred to me that he must be a closeted liberal to engage is such behavior, I can't wait until I see his reaction when I tell him that he must be feminized
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:56 PM
 
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I have run across such people. I was told as I held the door "I can open my own doors. I'm not helpless". Ummm...ok then. Pardon me all to hell. Still, I couldn't in good conscience let a door swing shut in someone's face. I've also had that happen, from both men and women, and yes it is just flat rude.
I figure people aren't paying attention. So many have their faces stuck in their phones. I, too, always hold the door for everyone.

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She grew up on a ranch like I did (albeit not running cattle) however my Dad was a Naval officer, and my Mom an officers wife. Proper etiquette and manners were paramount in our house. The street side escort was one my Mom put into me and it stuck. Lol, as I said, it did annoy my lady but I refused to give it up. She got used to it in the end. Along with all my other ...ideosynchrasies. ...because I just refused to give up my upbringing. I taught my own son to be the same way.

This very much annoyed his mother, who I have to say is one of those female supremacist types. Her own Mother is lite more than a lower pri.ate where manners are concerned and this rubbed off on my ex. She also attempted to quash my upbringing, calling it "stupid" (her favorite word). That got my middle finger but I did stop all courtesy for her (stupid this then) and continued to raise my son to be a real gentleman in my family's traditions.
That's pretty sad. Of all the easy things to do as a parent, teaching courtesy should be a no brainer.

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It was interesting when I stopped the courtesy for my ex. All of a sudden she was more helpless than she thought. The one that really put her over the edge was the toilet seat. Lmao, hey, if she could open her own doors, pullout her own chair, whatever the action, I figured her arms weren't broke. If I had to lift it up she could bloody well put it down. Yep, and she repeatedly sat down without looking.
Them would be fightin words in my house. Fortunately, we have a seat and lid down before you flush policy. Although, I don't like the whole standing while peeing thing anyway. All it means is that guys are peeing on the floor.
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
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Yes, it is addiction. People lose tolerance for slight deviations from perfect comfort.
huh? If there are shoes available I will wear them rather than walk barefoot on a hot sidewalk- does that mean I'm addicted to shoes?
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
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I was very careful to explain and qualify what I meant. I said it is NOT ALL, but MOST. Men are more interested in rough sports and violent movies and games than women are. NOT ALL. SOME women like those things, but most do not.

I don't especially like violent moves or games, and I don't know any other females who like them. My male friend loves violent moves, and he owns guns and is interested in weapons. And he is not unusual at all. And he IS NOT A VIOLENT PERSON. He would never do anything violent.

If people would read more carefully these conversations would be a lot simpler.
I'm a female, non-violent and non-confrontational but I love movies with gratuitous violence, my favorite movie in the last few years? John Wick. My husband who is a retired marine who fought in Vietnam cries at movies and hates to watch any violent movies or TV shows.

When you use yourself or your group of friends to support your suppositions about a gender.. well, let's just say it doesn't usually work out very well.
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:12 PM
 
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I'm a female, non-violent and non-confrontational but I love movies with gratuitous violence, my favorite movie in the last few years? John Wick. My husband who is a retired marine who fought in Vietnam cries at movies and hates to watch any violent movies or TV shows.

When you use yourself or your group of friends to support your suppositions about a gender.. well, let's just say it doesn't usually work out very well.
Spot on. I love...love...football, which isn't hard given that my team is the pats, but I'm not a minority.

"Women make up an estimated 45 percent of the NFL’s more than 150 million American fans"

Women are pro football’s most important demographic.


Sames goes for the walking dead. Love it (and Daryl lol). A little violence, a little zombie, and a little hottie. It's all good.

The Walking Dead Is TV’s Most Popular Show For Women.
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
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When female school teachers can't handle boys they want to shoot them up with Ridilan.
oh my God...In the first place there is no such thing as Ridilan, I think you mean Ritalin. Ritalin is not injected and I have never heard of any teacher recommending that a child be administered any drug. If you can provide evidence to the contrary I am certainly willing to look at it.
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:25 PM
 
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So you want to personalize it and the unintended consequences be damned. Is that what you are saying?

Don't forget that you have also been conditioned to think a certain way because of influences like Hollywood and the media. For two decades or more movies and TV shows are made fun of non career oriented women, derided ladylike behavior, and shown "empowered" women as being the goal. In many instances they have taken the natural instincts of the way men think (competition, ruthlessness, fighting, etc.) and added those characteristics to female characters portrayed as something positive. While not the sole cause, crime statistics of women charged with assault & battery (to name just two) has exploded.

Additionally, traditional characteristics of women (femininity, empathy, mothering) have been derided as something less desirable.
For a recent example, look at the woman (likely a radical feminist) who deride Ivanka Trump's dress as not projecting a strong woman, and that it was too girly.
Everyone likes to fit in, and few like to be singled out with criticism. So even if Ivanka knows her fashion sense is fine, many other women might make a mental note not to wear bows or pink. Thus our society loses something because women will act/look even less feminine than they already do.

Just like the OP misses men who are masculine and gentlemen, many of us men miss women who are feminine and ladies.
You miss woman who are feminine and ladies? You should look around better. Women are still feminine and "lady like" feminist never put down motherhood. We said you can do it all. Career and parenthood if that was our choice. We embrace and support all choice for women that doesn't make us less lady like
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Old 08-11-2017, 04:07 PM
 
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I would argue it's the other way around: The feminization of society has made it more liberal. This feminization is a result of industrial/technological civilization, I would argue (which is why ALL advanced nations have become more feminine). Due to industrialization and urbanization, we do not need to have so many people hunting for dinner and plowing fields, thus reducing the need for manly physical labor. As manly physical labor becomes less of a necessity, manliness will become less and less valued by society. Another trait of this will be increased cooperation and understanding (globalization is one such result of this mindset) and less confrontation. In fact, democracy itself could be argued is a feminine system because it relies on cooperation and consent rather than brute force and coercion.
It is extremely dangerous that you think globalization results from increased cooperativeness.

Globalization is a result of increasing CONCENTRATION OF POWER.

And it is the wimpification of our society that prevents you from seeing the danger. We are all so loving and so nice! We are one big happy world!

The liberal academic Steven Pinker says we keep on getting nicer, thanks to the decline of religion and traditional values, and increasing liberalism.

Yeah we are getting nicer, just like cows happily waiting to be slaughtered.
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