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Old 09-07-2017, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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No but it's been almost 50 years since 1969. Nothing has been held back. No one tried.
They talked about it, but didn't try it because they didn't want to spend the time.
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Old 09-07-2017, 08:39 AM
 
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I have never heard of anything more sick then what this group did. It is too bad they are still with us.


Be glad of that, because it changes your perspective on humans and their innate ability to be evil incarnate.
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Old 09-07-2017, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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During her time in prison, she earned both a bachelors and masters degree and is a certified counselor. Reports are she headed numerous programs for helping other inmates.

What she did was horrendous, but criminals who commit far more atrocious murders are set free after serving their sentence. It just happens their crimes aren't as high profile. Not sure why she is being held to a different standard just because her crime got so much national attention.

I can't imagine her life outside will be a basket of roses if she is let out, but if rehabilitation was the goal in her incarceration, it appears that has taken place. If punishment for the crime was the goal, shouldn't all murderers be sentenced to life imprisonment?
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Old 09-07-2017, 08:52 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Exactly. She is old, she has never held a real job, and she has a criminal record, a heinous at that. And she's too imfamous. Who would hire her?
I would think that she would be released to a half-way house where she would likely live out her days. I think she's a different person now than she was at the time of the murders and doesn't pose a threat to the public. So I wouldn't have a problem with her spending her final days in a half-way house. But Gov. Brown has to sign off on it first and I don't think he's going to touch this political bombshell with a ten foot pole.
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Old 09-07-2017, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Actually death row inmates' sentences were commuted and no inmates from 1967 until 1992 were put to death in CA. Robert Alton Harris was the first on my birthday in 1992.

So even if they had gone to trial earlier their sentences would have been commuted. Which is why I said she was one of the lucky ones, along with Manson, Sirhan Sirhan and the like.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capita..._in_California
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Old 09-07-2017, 08:57 AM
 
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I would think that she would be released to a half-way house where she would likely live out her days. I think she's a different person now than she was at the time of the murders and doesn't pose a threat to the public. So I wouldn't have a problem with her spending her final days in a half-way house. But Gov. Brown has to sign off on it first and I don't think he's going to touch this political bombshell with a ten foot pole.
Which will prove he is a political coward allowing himself to be held hostage by emotional people who are not applying standards equally.
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Old 09-07-2017, 09:03 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Which proves he is a political coward being held hostage by emotional people who are not applying standards equally.
I agree with this. It would take some courage for him to sign off on it knowing the heat he would get. I'm not a big fan of Gov. Moonbeam but I would have more respect for him if he did the right thing and allowed this old woman to live out her final days in a half-way house.
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Old 09-07-2017, 09:36 AM
 
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During her time in prison, she earned both a bachelors and masters degree and is a certified counselor. Reports are she headed numerous programs for helping other inmates.

What she did was horrendous, but criminals who commit far more atrocious murders are set free after serving their sentence. It just happens their crimes aren't as high profile. Not sure why she is being held to a different standard just because her crime got so much national attention.

I can't imagine her life outside will be a basket of roses if she is let out, but if rehabilitation was the goal in her incarceration, it appears that has taken place. If punishment for the crime was the goal, shouldn't all murderers be sentenced to life imprisonment?
Most people have to pay for their degrees.

Since you think she should be let out, we here in CA will send her to TX. She would proabably fit in better down there anyway.
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Old 09-07-2017, 09:40 AM
 
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Exactly. I was a child when this happened. It was the most horrific crime. Reeks of severe mental illness or just pure evil, of which neither can be cured.



And, she already got over on it holding the outcome that it should have had "death".



Psychotic! Evil! Whatever it is, it should never be loose again on the streets.



She should be denied a life just the lives of those whose lives she took. It is unfortunate that she didn't get the death penalty. You can't fix "evil".



Welfare. TV appearance? Write a book about how she murdered 2 innocent people? Beg? Borrow? Steal?
Without a moral compass, I guess anything would be on the table.



I hope you are right.



I have never heard of anything more sick then what this group did. It is too bad they are still with us.



A mistake? That was not a mistake. She was an adult that murdered 2 people. Those lives were ended, and it wasn't like she was driving a car and fell asleep, she murdered them in cold blood.

I am sorry for your loss, but a murderer should never be released to have a life. A life for a life.



Do you really think anyone of any substance will want to be around an animal like that? Support group for what?



A mistake? Yeah, I didn't get that either. Could you make it airfare instead of bus fare, I don't want to take the chance she comes through our state! She does not deserve freedom.



Especially in this case! Psychotic and/or pure evil.



Exactly. Whatever possesses her is something that will never die until she takes her last breath!



That is what I think. She is lucky to be alive.



The death penalty has a place, so that is too bad. In this case, only the death penalty would have been a fair sentence when carried out.

Hopefully Brown stops the parole.
Airfare it is. Would have to be on flight with no meal service, she isn't too good when it comes to knives.

I don't Brown will let her out, too many here in CA and across the nation remember this well.
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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Since links and or accurate information don't seem to be up your street, am fixing that for you:


Manson follower Leslie Van Houten granted parole in notorious murders; Brown will make final decision - LA Times


Yes, the California parole board (again) granted Miss. Van Houten release, but now the matter goes before governor Brown who once before vetoed her release.


Governors of California have a several options when dealing with matters from the parole board, until or if Mr. Brown approves the board's decision for release Miss. Van Houten is *NOT* going free.
If Brown OK's her release, it will be political suicide and he knows it. There will be no release.
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