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Old 12-07-2006, 08:07 PM
Location: Haddington, E. Lothian, Scotland
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Originally Posted by DBM View Post

Your comment about tax revenue and government spending being unfair to Eastern Washington is incorrect. Eastern Washington, just like essentially every less-populated, agriculturally-based area, receives much more government spending per capita and per tax dollar collected than do more urban areas.

It's not anything pernicious, it's just how things work out. On the tax collection side, urban salaries tend to be higher, and urban economies generate more taxable transactions, so the per capita tax receipts are higher in urban areas than in rural areas. On the expenditure side, it just costs more money to provide services when people are spread out than when they are close together (think roads in particular).

The impression is that the urban areas are getting more than their fair share, but the reality is that urban areas invariably subsidies more rural areas. Just something to keep in mind when arguing that the rural areas of the state would be better off by themselves.

This is an excellent summary. Well explained.
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Old 12-08-2006, 03:58 AM
Location: Roswell, New Mexico
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Originally Posted by dullnboring View Post
This idea seems to have been floated around in many states where there is a divide in culture and politics. Here in Virginia, people have toyed around for years with the idea of creating a separate state for Northern Virginia or of making the Greater DC area a state in it's own right encompassing DC and it's Maryland and Virginia suburbs, but these have largely been the subject of op.ed pieces or the opinions of frustrated citizens on the extreme fringes of the right and left, rather than something that they are actually contemplating drawing up legislation about as it seems to be the case in Washington and many other states where I've heard similar debates (California, Florida, Texas, Pennsylvania, etc.). I am against the fracturing of any state at this point, especially when driven by politics. We're a pretty fractured and polarized country at the moment and I feel that any secession of sorts that is ideologically-driven could start a domino affect and just feed into a greater divide in this country.

EDIT: I just read the article and while it appears that there has been some legislative momentum, it will be unlikely to go through. I'm surprised it even reached that stage as these debates tend to die out before entering the state houses.
I fail to see how this would be bad. I would be all for it.
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Old 04-17-2013, 12:02 PM
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Just because there is a political difference in a state it doesn't mean they should form there own state. Every state has political and cultural differences, sometimes profound ones. I find it interesting that there was no talk of such absurdities when the republicans controlled the branches of government but now that Obama was reelected along with a democratic senate many of the right wing nuts want to jump ship and form there own state or even country. What a joke. Although, I say let's give them Alabama. They can have there own theocratic government and practice sharia, i mean, biblical law.
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Old 04-17-2013, 12:21 PM
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go cougs?
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Old 04-17-2013, 12:23 PM
Location: San Francisco
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Translation: "I don't want to share, so I'm going to take all my toys and go away."
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Old 04-17-2013, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by WazzuCoop21 View Post
OKay guys, this might be news to many of you here on the forum, but it is old news in WA. I wanted to simply clarify that WA is not completely a blue state, and in fact is VERY much a red state east of the cascade mountains. There has been suggestions over the years to make eastern WA a separate state, the divde being the cascade mountains. Prior to this actually coming before the state congress, there had been talk of eastern WA, eastern OR, and the ID panhandle merging as a single state. This is due to the immense cultural and political divide between the eastern and western half of the states. Here is a link if you're curious:
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/tch/lo...-6063313c.html (broken link)

So, what do you guys think? Should WA split? It's unlikely, but I'd love to hear some opinions out there...

My own personal opinion is that it's a sad state when people feel the need to seperate due to cultural or political differences. A sad statement on how some people in this country are (and that's an intentionally broad statement, I consider myself a "lefty" if you need to put a label on it and I see just as many on the left who want nothing to do with those on the right as vice versa)
I disagree with seperating states or the country as a whole based on differing ideals and opinions. Fact is that we need people with different mind sets WORKING TOGETHER, if we plan to actually continue on as a nation worth a damn.
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Old 04-17-2013, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by WazzuCoop21 View Post
I have to agree with you on that one. Being a WA native from the eastside, I can tell you though the distribution of tax revenue for state projects goes 99% to the Puget Sound area. While that area brings in more tax revenue, the distribution is still disproportionate. Despite many roads and things that need repair on the eastside (I"m talking in metro areas above 100,000, not farmland). This has really frustrated many residents. While there is definitely a political element to this, I think the state's governor and legislature need to include eastern WA more into the mix. The mountain divide does enough to isolate people on each side of the state, it isn't necessary to split the state, but they need to share the wealth IMO...
It's hard to argue with a vague term like 'state projects', much less such a claim that is uncited.

But here's some actual information on state funding in general:
King Co. pays for the rest of the state - is that fair? - seattlepi.com

People in King County contribute nearly 42 percent of the state's tax revenues, yet receive only 25 percent of the money spent from Washington's general fund budget.
No county in Eastern Washington pays more in state general fund taxes than it receives back in expenditures. In the more populous western part of the state, seven counties contribute more than they get in return (Island, Jefferson, King, San Juan, Skagit, Snohomish and Whatcom).
Reading the article, it gets deeper into funding from all sources. But there is clearly no evidence that 99% of funding (an absurd, made-up number) goes to the Puget Sound area, or even such a percentage of funding that exceeds that area's percentage of the state population.
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