Medication cost more with insurance than without (wages, health care, border)

[Dbones]

Originally Posted by PilgrimsProgress

You can also buy Rx drugs from Mexico but given that country's corruption I wouldn't risk it.

I wouldn't either, who knows what additives and fillers are in that junk.

[jojajn]

Originally Posted by Dbones

Yup..My doctor charges 140 to insurance for an office visit, if I pay cash it's 60 bucks.

This is exactly why Medicare controls prices by capping reimbursements.

[jojajn]

Originally Posted by Dbones

Yeah and? Who was it that made it allowable for drug companies to charge more when being paid through insurance? BOTH parties that's who. I'm not talking about anything Medicaid related either.

Really? What bill is that?

This is more likely why:

Because of the way insurance contracts are typically structured between providers and insurers, the provider is required to charge the full “negotiated” rate they and the insurer have agreed to.

http://selfpaypatient.com/2014/01/03...-be-uninsured/

[Dbones]

Originally Posted by jojajn

Really? What bill is that?

This is more likely why:


Insured patients can save money by pretending to be uninsured |

Any one of the regulations put on the industry could have included it but it didn't is my point. Now ask why it wasn't included in any regulations. If you're honest with yourself the answer is lobbyists.

[PilgrimsProgress]

The President has complained about the outrageously high cost of BigPharma drugs, wondering why previous administrations haven't made deals like other governments do to lower prices. He wants to fix that problem but nearly every Congressman and Senator gets bribes, er, campaign donations, from BigPharma. If you saw Michael Moore's documentary about the health industry years ago you know this.

[jojajn]

Originally Posted by Dbones

Any one of the regulations put on the industry could have included it but it didn't is my point. Now ask why it wasn't included in any regulations. If you're honest with yourself the answer is lobbyists.

Lobbyists that Republicans catered to. Now look at the vote for the Medicare part D bill. Why do you think almost all Democrats voted against that bill? It was because the Democrats were against having the inability to negotiate drug prices with drug companies while the Republicans promoted the inability to negotiate.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2003/h332

[Three Wolves In Snow]

Originally Posted by jojajn

A medication that cost $165.68 under insurance would've cost only $92 had it been paid for in cash without insurance.


CVS lawsuit claims collusion with pharmacy benefit managers to raise prices - Business Insider


Time to get rid of health insurance and go to one single risk pool for healthcare. Health insurance companies are siphoning off money.

No, it's time to go to free market and boot those parasitic health insurance companies away from the trough.

The prices will plummet when you get the health insurance industries out of it. The price will continue to plummet if you allow for free markets to work. You need Amoxycillin? Okay. If you go to CVS, they have it for $25 for your prescription. But if you go to WalGreens, you can get it for $20. Costco will have it for even less, $16.

Doctors will have better prices for you.

You slipped and broke your ankle like a dumbass? If you go to this doctor, it's going to cost you $200 for the x-rays, $20 for the Vicodin, and $30 for the splint, and another $15 for the wrap, and then of course you will have to pay $150 for the crutches.

OR

Go to this doctor who charges $100 for x-rays, $5 for Vicodin, $10 for the splint, $10 for the wrap, and then of course $75 for the cructches.

OR

Go to this doctor who will fix you up for a lump sum of $100.

Oh you really screwed it up? You need surgery?

Well, this doc wants $8000.

That doc will do it for $5000.

That doc will do it for $1500.

Your job as the consumer is the same as it has always been, insurance or no insurance: Find the best doctor for you using all criteria that you want met, including how much they charge.

Free market.

Why can we not give this a try? You've already discovered the first battle: Insurance companies are screwing us over!

Here's the second battle: Realizing just how much government run healthcare sucks. ASK A VET.

Third battle: Understanding that free market, just as you find in elective surgeries, IS the way to go...and take the leap. Support it. Ask for it. Demand it. Demand that the government get out of our healthcare. They can't even fix a fricken toilet without costing taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars....let them do their job: National Security. Keep them out of our healthcare!

[jojajn]

Originally Posted by Three Wolves In Snow

No, it's time to go to free market and boot those parasitic health insurance companies away from the trough.

No such thing as free market in healthcare.

When one is injured or sick, is that really a good time to compare prices at medical centers within a 300 mile radius?

Besides, medical centers do not give our price information.

[jojajn]

Originally Posted by Dbones

Any one of the regulations put on the industry could have included it but it didn't is my point. Now ask why it wasn't included in any regulations. If you're honest with yourself the answer is lobbyists.

If you are honest with yourself, the answer is Republicans!

The Senate blocked legislation on Wednesday that would let the government negotiate Medicare
drug prices. Democrats couldn't muster the 60 votes needed to bring the bill up for a vote.

Senate Republicans Block Medicare Drug Price Negotiating Bill | Fox News

[MyNameIsBellaMia]

Originally Posted by PilgrimsProgress

When I didn't have insurance I bought drugs online from Canada. Exactly the same stuff but cheaper. I think everywhere else in the world the same drugs are cheaper because Americans subsidize BigPharma by paying full price.

You can also buy Rx drugs from Mexico but given that country's corruption I wouldn't risk it.

I bought from India. When they did away with aerosol and albuterol inhalers (without insurance) went from around $20 to over $50, I started buying from India for $4 and change each.

Originally Posted by jojajn

If you are hones with yourself, the answer is Republicans!



Senate Republicans Block Medicare Drug Price Negotiating Bill | Fox News

Oh, stop it, for Christ's sake! You start a thread about something everyone on Planet EArth (but you) already knew. Cred: ZERO.