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Old 08-12-2017, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Forbes has all sorts of lists about the educational levels of the top 10, 20, 100 and 400 wealthiest Americans. They also slice and dice wealth by self- made vs inherited wealth.

63/ 400 do not have college degrees, including but not limited to Gates, Zuckerberg, Ellison and Dell- innovators. Most people, regardless of education, are not innovators. Most of those without degrees dropped out of school to pursue their passions. Honorary degrees are not counted.

Many have graduate level degrees from prestigious, highly selective, schools.

There is a nearly 30% difference in cumulative earnings in favor of top billionaires with degrees vs those without.
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:02 AM
 
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So you go to a liberal institution for brainwashing, which doesn't teach many valuable job skills. Once you graduate, you'll be lucky to land a job at Starbucks. And if you have some debt, good luck trying to pay it off. Brilliantly summed up in this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVJXi6IXWyI
Because 90% of the staff are liberal, and conservatives (staff and students) are persecuted, in some cases, violently. Conservatives would get fired, expelled, graded lower or beaten.

This is not rocket science.
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:06 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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We encouraged our sons to go to college too but not for underwater basketweaving or other such nonsense in order for us to pay for it. They decided to enlist and are now out going to college. So your knuckle dragging comment is indeed an oversimplification. College is important if you use it to further your marketabililty. Save the learning for learning's sake once you have a career that can support you. Expanding your mind can also be done in numerous ways without going to college.
Yet I see so few examples of that in this particular thread. Knowledge for knowledge sake is a great thing.

One does not have to spend a fortune to go to college; I know I didn't. I started out with a major in psych but ended up a business major with a minor in psych.

Still have a great job and likely would have had this same job had I majored in psych.

My son will go to grad school (where he will be paid) to work toward his dream of becoming a college professor.
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Economic prosperity is dependent upon the education of a country’s people.

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How do we know that education is so important? The countries in the world that have become prosperous fall into two categories. The first category includes those nations that have possessed (or acquired by force) large amounts of a valuable natural resource. Countries that have been fortunate enough to find themselves sitting on large reserves of gold, oil, rich farmland, and so on, have an obvious advantage over those that are not so fortunately endowed.

The second group of countries—a much larger one—is composed of countries that have educated their citizenry into prosperity. Nearly all of the countries that have long been the wealthiest in the world reached, or have maintained, that status by having universal pre-college education, along with a strong commitment to higher education. Even the most resource-poor countries of Northern and Western Europe have enjoyed much higher living standards than many resource-rich countries that do not devote themselves to educating their young people.
An Educated Population Is Essential to a Nation’s Prosperity, yet Some Politicians Are Demonizing Our Educational System for Political Advantage
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:08 AM
 
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Expanding your mind can also be done in numerous ways without going to college.
I totally agree. However those who do not venture out of their hometowns, whether via college or the military, often fail to have the life experiences which lead to being open-minded and interested in developing knowledge in a variety of areas.

It is this fear of being exposed to new ideas and ways of doing things that I see some parents in my conservative area threatened by. If their children do go off to college, it is often to the state U. down the road---they don't want their kids exposed to ideas which differ from the local ways of thinking and doing.
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:13 AM
 
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Or by Christianity
Christian here who is very moderate politically. I used to be a right winger until I got deeper into my faith. Jesus wouldn't be a right winged conservative.
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I know college graduates that could not use their college education. One fellow then went to a computer school. He then again graduated. Couldn't find a job. His teacher lost his job teaching , and he couldn't find a job to use his computer skills

. The fellow went on after graduating college and a computer school, to learn a skill on becoming a dent specialist with a nice contract from a major car rental company. He now has his own shop and making good money. Paid off his school loans with some good money saved. Who says college is the answer.
Anecdotal evidence ^

BLS median income by educational attainment demonstrates a clear correlation between education and income:

https://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Absolutely. And this wasn't always the case. My father was an officer in the military and staunch Republican ~ both my parents encouraged me to attend college. "Education is something important that no one can take from you" is how they thought about it.

In no way do knuckle dragging rednecks wearing a MAGA hat represent the kind of Republicanism that my parents represented.
Same here. My father in law was a WWII vet, extremely well educated. Phd in mathematics and he was a professor in computer science at UofMD back in the 70's and 80's. He also worked for NSA and the Rand Corp.

Education was PARAMOUNT to him, and he was a Buckley Conservative. I wound up in commercial finance, my wife a teacher, my brother in law in computer science... My son is heading off for his freshman year in a week, declaring mechanical engineering.. yeah I guess these fields of study can be mastered with a 10th grade education....

Bashing higher education or labeling those who have attended show nothing short of pure, raw ignorance. Or extreme jealousy.
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:19 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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Resultingly, I possess a Management Information Systems degree which imparted very few actual hard(employable) skills, in a subject I could care less about.
My spouse has a degree in MIS/MS, and he disagrees.
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Those who lack the discipline to obtain a college degree are the ones who criticize college educations.
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