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One feels like they lost their southern culture, the other feels like they lost their African heritage and they are both 150 years too late to even worry about it. They need to focus on today because yesterday is gone and tomorrow is not promised.
The Nazi's, white supremacists & separatists, all self identify themselves as such. The Alt/right is not the entire right wing--in fact, they comprise a minority. Richard Spencer coined the term 'alt/right'. Richard Spencer is an avowed white separatist. Are all Alt/right people Nazi's? Of course not--and those those that think so are fools. In a larger context, are they all "birds of a feather" flocking together?
I think so.
Left wing communist? Absurd. They don't really believe in communism at all..they don't even give lip service to it. These are not 'power to the people' protesters.
Some Socialism..sure--but even that's a stretch. You got some anarchists...and a bunch of puffed up people who have arrogance to think that if they don't meet the racists on their own terms...everyone will turn into Nazi's. Also absurd.
The right to Free Speech is being construed as the freedom to confront. Not sure that it's the same thing at all.
To me, bringing shields, clubs and pepper spray to a rally is intent to commit a crime--and should be treated that way.
Regardless of political affiliation.
Yeah both of these extremists groups are a bunch of kooks imo and cut from similar cloth.
However, this whole thing seems like a failure on the part of LEO to keep the peace. If they were able to break them up and stop the protestors gathering, they certainly should have been able to control them.
Seems obvious both groups came prepared to engage in violence. Which if either was prepared to start violence is a little less clear.
Why the police didn't keep them a safe distance from each other is a mystery.
How odd that the media is only focusing on the white nationalists, despite the fact that they were holding a peaceful rally. Has a single person in the media demanding that BLM and antifa be held accountable for their behavior?
Are you freaking kidding me? One of their followers rammed a car into a crowd and killed a Charlottesville resident, paralegal Heather Heyer. These racist *******s had no valid reason to interfere in a local issue -- the removal of a statue by the lawfully elected City Council -- and to terrorize Charlottesville citizens. They marched around waving torches at people on Friday night and beat a black man in a parking garage on Saturday. They carried shields and weapons. Those are not the actions of peaceful protestors. That's a group that came prepared to wreak havoc.
Think about this for a moment. Racists from around the country descended on this small city and held it hostage, shutting down commerce and sucking up law enforcement resources to control the chaos, indirectly leading to the death of two state police officers. And if it can happen in Charlottesville, it can happen anywhere, including your city.
Except one group killed people yesterday. Pretending they are the same is just that, pretending.
Correction....one person from a group killed someone yesterday. A very narrow group. The guy that killed two people on a bus in Portland was a registered dem, as was the guy that shot Giffords in az and the guy that **** at congressmen at the chharity baseball game injuring scalise, Yet we don't condemn all dems due to the action of one person.
I agree it is a common perception. But it makes no sense in fact. One cannot be socialist or leftist while being anti-statist.
So any real understanding of anarchism would make it clear it is neither right nor left. Something else.
Thanks..I believe you are correct--anarchists are anti-state. They see the Right--especially the extreme Right, as representative of the State. The Antifa are made up of some of the same people that protest all over the world. The anarchist movement is large right now..larger than most perceive, IMO.
Anarchists want chaos..whatever serves that goal is laudable. in their eyes.
This is not the classic Anarchism of Bakunin--although reading him and understanding the roots is encouraged.
This is the new Anarchism of the 21st century. A melange of beliefs--that can be summed up with "tear it all down, burn what's left."
I'd like to say it's amazing but unfortunately, it's more par for the course when it comes to the hypocrisy of the right.
They are busy blaming ANYONE other than the white nationalists - which is pathetic considering they are guilty of murder.
Last night, I saw one of the usual suspects on here stating as fact that the murderer was an Obama supporter. I knew that was a lie when I saw it.
Now we know, it was a white nationalist, nazi loving, Trump supporter that mowed down a crowd of people, killing one.
Yup, true. Great post.
I'd like to call one poster out in particular, but I won't. They haven't showed their face, ever since they embarrassed themselves and claimed the terrorist yesterday was some liberal.
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Originally Posted by BentBow Calling for the death of all white people, and then talking about white privilege to justify it, does have a pucker factor of 8.
All you links (which are laughable, anyways) are nothing more than talk and empty words. You can post links for days of groups saying this and calling for that, but no action comes from it.
The difference is one of your white nationalist homies actually went out and MURDERED someone.
You have no argument.
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This shows me you have not actually seen the whole video....
The guy came SPEEDING down the CLOSED street and PLOWED into a group of people at the end of the street.
He was not being threatened by any crowd. Get the F out of here with your insanity and lies.
Yesterday you morons were on here posting that it was a "anti-Trump druggie, BLM nutjob" who drove into the crowd. Facts have proven you wrong in that instance and they prove you wrong in this one.
The Alt-Right organized a major protest-turned riot in Charlottesville VA....it was self-titled "Unite The Right)
As is the case in every protest that has ever happened....people who opposed the message that the WN were supporting showed up in a counter-protests.
One of the white nationalists then committed murder. He drove a car very intentionally into a group of people he disagreed with and who had done nothing to him personally and he injured several and ended the life of one.
Those are the facts. You cannot escape them. You cannot hold counter-protesters more responsible or even equally responsible for the crapfest that occurred at UVA yesterday. Just because our spineless POTUS did so does not make it right. Fortunately even many of those from his party have already called him and those of you who think like him out on it. There is hope for us after all.
It's just better to put that poster on ignore.
They were so quick to vilify the driver when they thought it was a BLM protester/liberal, but as soon as they found out it was one of their boys, look how the excuses came flying out.
It went from, "Another violent liberal thug terrorizing innocent protesters," to "Well, he was scared for his life, because of all those violent liberal thug protesters."
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Could not have said it better, ATG5!
I am puzzled why they were allowed to carry torches in the first place. The potential risk for damage, both accidental and/or intentional, seems fairly high when at least 2,000 people are carrying them.
Agree the deflections and excuses are disappointing, but predictable from the usual suspects.
Nailed it - disappointing and predictable...especially when you realize these people are allowed to breed.
The POS who drove that car into those innocent people was 20. I can guarantee he was filled with hate with the sperm donor adults he lived with (refuse to call them parents) and I bet his fellow POS will still justify his actions. We're seeing it play out on C-D, right now.
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The torches were ceremonial, like a modern day Nazi rally. Have you ever watched Triumph of the Will? How could you not get the reference?
The city allowed it and it was permissible. These protesters could've came decked out in full military gear and anything that was legally permissible to carry. It does not matter. They could've stayed out day and night shouting racist chants and flying their Nazi flags. It wouldn't matter. It was legal. We have free speech in this country.
Why couldn't the far left just let the cops control the situation? Why did they feel the need to give in to the protesters? Are they that weak and emotionally unbalanced?
The Alt Right aren't angels either. I blame them too because they came ready for fight knowing full well that AntiFa would show up. I mean they're not stupid, if you go out and admit you're a Nazi in public, you better expect trouble. But that is besides the point because trouble doesn't negate their legally permissible assembly.
It takes one to know one.
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Didn't you notice David Duke's angry reaction to Trump's statement yesterday? Trump deservedly condemned BOTH sides. By condemning both sides Trump also blamed the White Nationalists. The NYT didn't report Duke's lashing out at Trump...maybe you missed it.
Please. He's upset his boy didn't come out and completely defend their protest.
Trump is playing so he can appease all sides. He doesn't want to lose part of his base, aka, the white "nationalists" (although I prefer to use a term that's against the POS).
Are you freaking kidding me? One of their followers rammed a car into a crowd and killed a Charlottesville resident, paralegal Heather Heyer. These racist *******s had no valid reason to interfere in a local issue -- the removal of a statue by the lawfully elected City Council -- and to terrorize Charlottesville citizens. They marched around waving torches at people on Friday night and beat a black man in a parking garage on Saturday. They carried shields and weapons. Those are not the actions of peaceful protestors. That's a group that came prepared to wreak havoc.
Think about this for a moment. Racists from around the country descended on this small city and held it hostage, shutting down commerce and sucking up law enforcement resources to control the chaos, which indirectly leading to the death of two state police officers. And if it can happen in Charlottesville, it can happen anywhere, including your city.
The driver was a psycho.
All the people who died were white.
The protesters were protesting removal of their heritage.
The anti protestors were protesting then protestors right to free speach.
The anti protestors attacked the protestors.
The protestors ignored them.
a lone crackpot did a horrible thing.
The protestors are the racist bad guys.
Why??
^^^This is how the uneducated educate the uneducated.^^^
FACT --- The group didn't kill anybody.
FACT --- One man did the killing.
Please.
Two individuals (one even posted a YT video saying he wasn't affiliated with BLM) killed cops last summer and the usual suspects blamed BLM for the death of those cops. The entire group. The president. Even anyone who supports BLM or has dark skin.
Now the shoe is on the other foot. I'd remember that before you start calling other people "uneducated".
How odd that the media is only focusing on the white nationalists, despite the fact that they were holding a peaceful rally. Has a single person in the media demanding that BLM and antifa be held accountable for their behavior?
Did anyone associated with BLM or the antifa kill anyone yesterday? Quit trying to make ridiculous equivalencies.
I don't condemn either "side" in this tragedy. One man acted alone to kill and maim as many people as he could. He should be the primary focus of the news coverage.
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