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Old 08-12-2017, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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We keep hearing that China will not tolerate American troops near its border. America will not tolerate a nuclear North Korea threatening the world. It should be obvious that Kim has got to go from all sides.

South Korea is an economic power and a threat to no one.

Can we quickly negotiate an agreement with the Chinese eliminating Kim's dictatorship, reuniting the Koreas, and removing American troops from the peninsula?

What do you all think?
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Old 08-12-2017, 02:47 PM
 
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China wants an authoritarian puppet on the the Korean peninsula, guarding its border.

Right now, China finds the autocrat Kim Jong-un far preferable to either Moon Jae-in or Park Guenhye, especially since South Korea has a history of changing its leadership through democratic means.
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Old 08-12-2017, 03:11 PM
 
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I don't think so.

First, South Korea does have a significant military. Ranked 12th in the world with 1500 planes, 2600 tanks, 600,000 active soldiers, and 5,000,000 reserves.

Second, China doesn't want an economic power that is a democracy on their border. It might make China look bad by comparison. Then it might have a problem keeping their people from defecting and emigrating. Everything is relative. China looks prosperous lined up next to North Korea, not so much lined up next to South Korea. Ditto for political freedom.

GDP (PPP) per capita is often considered one of the indicators of a country's standard of living. Using IMF 2016 figures:
USA, #11, $57,436
South Korea, #30, $37,740
China, #78, $15,359
North Korea, #180, $1800

The North Korea numbers are CIA estimated since so little is known about them.
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Old 08-12-2017, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Texas
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What do you all think?
China wants NK to remain a weak, backward, belligerent buffer between its border and any thriving capitalist economy.
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:32 PM
 
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Why do Americans think it is OK to invade a country or destroy its government, just because they hate Americans?
What's the difference between the US and Nazi Germany then?

If North Korea attempts to attack the US or South Korea, of course it will be legitimate to destroy the government. However it has not happened yet.
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:40 PM
 
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There's no way to know something like that. However, there was a wikileaks diplomatic cable information indicating that senior Chinese diplomats told South Korea that China preferred a unified Korea under South Korea. Any leaked information should be understood as close to true facts.

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South Korea's vice-foreign minister said he was told by two named senior Chinese officials that they believed Korea should be reunified under Seoul's control, and that this view was gaining ground with the leadership in Beijing.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...eunified-korea
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:47 PM
 
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China has excellent relations with South Korea. There are a lot of south Koreans in China or traveling in China, as tourists but much more doing commercial business transactions. South Korean companies are manufacturing big ticket items in China, much of it for export. South Korea imports food items from China, much of which they process and export to North America and other Asian countries. Those two countries are getting along very well together.

I personally think the Chinese would be ok with a unified Korea with a free market economy, if the country did not have foreign forces along the Yalu river. If the USA agreed to withdraw completely from Korea I doubt there would be a problem.

But North Korea is to China like Israel is to the USA. No matter how badly that red-headed stepchild misbehaves we will not abandon them, and we make excuses for their bad behavior. It's a knee-jerk reaction we can not control. It is like a drug addiction.
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Asia
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But North Korea is to China like Israel is to the USA. No matter how badly that red-headed stepchild misbehaves we will not abandon them, and we make excuses for their bad behavior. It's a knee-jerk reaction we can not control. It is like a drug addiction.
The only knee-jerk reaction is ridiculously comparing Israel to North Korea.
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:53 PM
 
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I personally think the Chinese would be ok with a unified Korea with a free market economy, if the country did not have foreign forces along the Yalu river. If the USA agreed to withdraw completely from Korea I doubt there would be a problem..
My current supervisor is from South Korea, he's been in the US since 2003 and he would emphatically disagree, he believes China doesn't want a unified Korean peninsula ever. They (China) would rather have it just the way it is now, even with a crazy dictator in North Korea.
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:58 PM
 
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The only knee-jerk reaction is ridiculously comparing Israel to North Korea.
The relationship is identical.

Sorry if you don't like the truth about that getting around.
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