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Since this situation in Charlottesville some people have been making it seem like Trump was elected because a lot of white supremacist voted for him. But Trump got elected because he was able to get votes from many whites who had voted for Obama.
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Of the nearly 700 counties that twice sent Obama to the White House, a stunning one-third flipped to support Trump.
When you look at the Obama 2008 campaign and the Trump 2016 campaign, the core message is rather similar. A better lot of the middle class.
When you look at the outcome of those presidencies, the result is rather similar. Obama, even with huge legislative majorities in his first two years, struggled to get his agenda enacted. He got a smaller fiscal stimulus than he wanted. He got a healthcare plan that depended more on the free market than he wanted. Immigration was left untouched. The bank bailouts begun under Bush continued.
Trump, even with a legislative majority, has struggled to get his own agenda enacted. Like Obama, congress put forward a healthcare plan that was not the one he campaigned on. Tax reform has not happened yet. Immigration has not happened yet. The wall has not happened yet.
It leads me to believe that congress is, if not the problem, a roadblock that must be accepted.
The Roosevelt presidents (TR and FDR) both ushered in eras of Federal dominance. Was that era actually an aberration that ended with George W. Bush? And is the solution to our gridlock that state government innovation has regained the prominence that it held before the Roosevelt presidencies?
If you look at the last ten years, state government has innovated more than the federal government. Right-leaning innovations have happened at the state level (right-to-work, abortion restrictions, voter ID) and left-leaning innovations have happened at the state level (minimum wage laws, eco/green laws, free college laws.) Can either party accept state-level innovation as the new normal, and if so, which will be the first to do so?
The way I see it, we're tearing each other apart. When I watched the Charlottesville videos, I see no difference between the Neo-Nazi protestors and the BLM counter-protestors, both screaming angry things at each other and fighting each other. Is the only solution to our problem "to each his own"?
Since this situation in Charlottesville some people have been making it seem like Trump was elected because a lot of white supremacist voted for him. But Trump got elected because he was able to get votes from many whites who had voted for Obama.
It's a great point, Trump pulled in many ex-Obama voters (white, black, Hispanic, Asian, female) and that was the reason for his victory.
Correct. "Make America Great Again" is a lot like "Hope and Change."
You are viewing "Hope and Change" through a 2017 lens and not the 2008 lens. Hope and Change was an economic message at heart, that the nation had failed its middle class and gotten entangled too much with foreign conflicts, and by a renewed interest in re-building its middle class and re-building its infrastructure we could have a better future. We would have better health care, better roads, high speed rail, etc.
There has definitely been a drift in how scholars view the 2008 election.
Racist Democrats like to call anyone they don't like racists. They like to blame all their problems on these "racists", instead of admitting that they can be wrong about things. They prefer to buckle down on stupidity, and kick, scream and whine anytime their point of view is challenged.
Some liberals/democrats behave like small children when they don't get their way. The truth is, Hillary Clinton was the bigger deplorable of the presidential nominees. Bernie Sanders would have stood a better chance against Trump, given the political climate. Thankfully, for republicans and their supporters, collusion at the DNC made sure Bernie never had a chance to run against Trump. Nice work guys!
Keep up the good work, and we'll enjoy another Trump victory in 2020.
When you look at the Obama 2008 campaign and the Trump 2016 campaign, the core message is rather similar. A better lot of the middle class.
When you look at the outcome of those presidencies, the result is rather similar. Obama, even with huge legislative majorities in his first two years, struggled to get his agenda enacted. He got a smaller fiscal stimulus than he wanted. He got a healthcare plan that depended more on the free market than he wanted. Immigration was left untouched. The bank bailouts begun under Bush continued.
Trump, even with a legislative majority, has struggled to get his own agenda enacted. Like Obama, congress put forward a healthcare plan that was not the one he campaigned on. Tax reform has not happened yet. Immigration has not happened yet. The wall has not happened yet.
It leads me to believe that congress is, if not the problem, a roadblock that must be accepted.
The Roosevelt presidents (TR and FDR) both ushered in eras of Federal dominance. Was that era actually an aberration that ended with George W. Bush? And is the solution to our gridlock that state government innovation has regained the prominence that it held before the Roosevelt presidencies?
If you look at the last ten years, state government has innovated more than the federal government. Right-leaning innovations have happened at the state level (right-to-work, abortion restrictions, voter ID) and left-leaning innovations have happened at the state level (minimum wage laws, eco/green laws, free college laws.) Can either party accept state-level innovation as the new normal, and if so, which will be the first to do so?
The way I see it, we're tearing each other apart. When I watched the Charlottesville videos, I see no difference between the Neo-Nazi protestors and the BLM counter-protestors, both screaming angry things at each other and fighting each other. Is the only solution to our problem "to each his own"?
Well Done! Excellent well thought out points, too bad many are too busy bashing the other side to see that the two views are just different sides of the same coin.
Sadly, your last statement seems to be the path we taking, and how that would impact us all is not really being comprehended by those advocating taking that path. All Great Nations and Empires fall sooner or later, it is my opinion that we are watching ours do exactly that, far too many have forgotten our roots and principles and do not value what was given to us by our forefathers. Looks like we are destined to learn another lesson the hard way, hopefully we will learn something in the process.
Many People on this board & much (most) of the media are labeling anyone who voted for Trump (or voted independent & now hope that Trump is successful) as Racists. They are using the word "Racist" and ALT-Right interchangeably & they are constantly using the term ALT-Right to describe White Supremacists, the KKK.....and also using the term to describe anyone opposed to Unlimited Illegal Immigration, men wearing dresses in the Military, or people marching down the street chanting "pigs should fry like bacon".
ALT Right is a dog whistle word for Racist. If you believe in the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, logical Immigration, (& 6-8 other mainstream middle America views)....then you are ALT Right and a racist. If you voted for Trump (for economic reasons or because you think Hillary is a criminal) then most of the media (& many on this board) will call you ALT Right - which is another word for racist.
In their eyes, we are no better than the guy driving the car and killing innocent & maiming innocent bystanders. Doesn't matter that you hate the KKK with every fiber of your being, or if you were a war hero in Afghanistan....you are now being called ALT Right (& thus a Racist).
Well Done! Excellent well thought out points, too bad many are too busy bashing the other side to see that the two views are just different sides of the same coin.
Sadly, your last statement seems to be the path we taking, and how that would impact us all is not really being comprehended by those advocating taking that path. All Great Nations and Empires fall sooner or later, it is my opinion that we are watching ours do exactly that, far too many have forgotten our roots and principles and do not value what was given to us by our forefathers. Looks like we are destined to learn another lesson the hard way, hopefully we will learn something in the process.
Agreed.
I think it was less Trump pulling in voters than the DNC driving away voters. Well the DNC and Hillary. She really was that bad.
Our elected reps have spent at least the last 24 years ignoring the needs of the nation and the people in favor of special interest groups. The 2 parties are 2 heads on the same beast. The only difference is the rhetoric. That isn't to say that there aren't good folks in office. It is to say that the good folks who want to represent we the people are vastly outnumbered. They find themselves having to betray their own ideals in order to get anything supported by the rest.
Well Done! Excellent well thought out points, too bad many are too busy bashing the other side to see that the two views are just different sides of the same coin.
Sadly, your last statement seems to be the path we taking, and how that would impact us all is not really being comprehended by those advocating taking that path. All Great Nations and Empires fall sooner or later, it is my opinion that we are watching ours do exactly that, far too many have forgotten our roots and principles and do not value what was given to us by our forefathers. Looks like we are destined to learn another lesson the hard way, hopefully we will learn something in the process.
Hard work, intelligence, compromise, team work and negotiation, among other things, gave us the best standard of living known to man. And now, some people expect to skip all of this, and go right to gimme gimme gimme, as if the government is a vending machine for prosperity. It is not. Government has a role to serve, but it's funding comes from the private sector. When the private sector can no longer fund the ever growing government's extravagant tastes, we arrive to the point we are at today. And when things get out of hand, the public sector becomes a parasite which sucks the worth out of the private sector, until there is nothing left to take.
We've already saddled the next generation with debt they will struggle to pay off. How many more future generations do we want to destroy? Paying tomorrow for a hamburger today is one thing. Now we're expecting to pay for 100 hamburgers next century, without taking into account all the debt we will produce in that century. And for what purpose exactly? We should be looking to the next frontier, space. Instead, we're finding stupider ways to bankrupt future generations, which will spoil any big dreams they may hope to fulfill. They are going to hate us for it, and rightfully so.
With the attitudes and ideas being promoted today, America's future is bleak. Sadly, the lowest common denominator in any society has the potential to hold everyone down in this environment. It is not fair for my generation (millenials) and it will be even worse for future generations if these poor values (or lack thereof) are handed down.
I'm afraid that Americans are going to learn the hard way what previous generations were taught by their forefathers. You don't get something for nothing in this world. That includes prosperity. It is earned, as it always was before. Obama can talk about robots eliminating everyone jobs, but that's not the world we live in, yet anyhow. Prosperity still requires work ethic, commitment, learning, team work, etc.
It's sad to watch the trajectory that this nation is on. It's been going this way for quite a long time, yet democrats will insist Trump is to blame. He is not. He is merely a reaction from people who are fed up with it. He stands a far better chance of instilling real change, compared to a "community organizer", whatever the hell that is.
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