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Old 08-14-2017, 08:31 PM
 
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Again, and I've said this before, slavery was just one element of Southern society, and was NOT the sole reason for secession, nor the war. I think the issues of state's rights, and the Tariffs of the day were two of the other significant issues. I think of state's right as an essential, cornerstone of the U.S., plus over taxation in the forms of Tariffs is just plain WRONG.

So instead of Virtue Signaling all the time, and focusing solely on race, and slavery, maybe some should put their fragile egos aside, and learn from the past.
You are sadly mislead if you were suckered into believing the Civil War was all about "states' rights".
It was slavery.

 
Old 08-14-2017, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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I think they should stay, they are part of history and as such should remain, ignoring history does not change it.


Nope, and I do stand against the supremacists. Defend what?


And most do.
Then why don't you see monuments to Hitler or his generals in Germany?

Everyone knows why. Neo-Confederates arguments can't hold water..
 
Old 08-14-2017, 08:32 PM
 
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Don't see any statues to those douche bags. And southern democrats back then were reprehensible people. Without question. How do you like wearing that mantle these days?
This isn't about me, I don't have a horse in this race. I'm just laughing at the tiny little brains and their blatant hypocrisy.
 
Old 08-14-2017, 08:33 PM
 
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Then why don't you see monuments to Hitler or his generals in Germany?

Everyone knows why. Neo-Confederates arguments can't hold water..

There are no monuments to Hitler or any Nazi's. But there are plenty of buildings and streets named after German Generals from WWII.
 
Old 08-14-2017, 08:40 PM
 
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Here is one link that I found quick:

In the the link:

--"New England slaves numbered only about 1,000 in 1708, but that rose to more than 5,000 in 1730 and about 13,000 by 1750."--

Slavery in the North

Another quick link:

--"Slavery was everywhere in Rhode Island, Rickman says. Slaves worked on South County farms and in the mansions in Newport. But it was the slave trade that was the "number one financial activity" for Rhode Island from 1720 to 1807."--

Slave trade was Rhode Island's 'number one financial activity' | www.jamestownpress.com | Jamestown Press


Slavery existed in ALL original 13 colonies, but during the American Revolution northern states started abolishing the evil institution as it wasn't congruent with the Declaration of Independence.

Also, most New England states like Rhode Island granted blacks the right to vote BEFORE the US Civil War -- more than a century before the Federal government FORCED southern states to give blacks the right to vote. In fact, South Carolina specifically mentions in their Declaration of Secession that one of the reasons why they are seceding is due to some New England states allowing blacks the right to vote.

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"This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety." -SC's D of S
There is a history of racism everywhere on this globe, but it is insane to think that it is pronounced as much in Rhode Island as it is in the South. According to the Tuskegee Institute, all six New England States combined lynched ZERO blacks from 1882 to 1968. Mississippi ALONE lynched 539 blacks during that same time period. Let's be honest where the most pronounced racism against blacks happened - the Deep South. Sure, New England has blemishes too, but it isn't in the same ball park as the Deep South.

Lynching Statistics


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Life was hard back then. It's beyond ridiculous to judge them by today's standards.

And it was your wonderful Democrats who opposed Abe Lincoln when it came to freeing the slaves.
#1 Today's standards?!?!?! Are you telling me that an intelligent man like Robert E. Lee couldn't grasp the concept that it might be considered questionable to kidnap free blacks in the North and take them away from their families to sell them? You do realize that the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, the biggest political issue of its day, was opposed in large measure because it could potentially enable such kidnappings.

#2 Yes, life was hard back then, if you were a free black in Pennsylvania kidnapped away from your family by the "honorable" Robert E. Lee on his way to losing at Gettysburg.

#3 I am not a Democrat and even if I were, what difference does it make what the party did more than a century before I was born? I agree with both parties on some issues and have voted for more Republicans than Democrats in my life.

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Old 08-14-2017, 08:41 PM
 
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There are no monuments to Hitler or any Nazi's. But there are plenty of buildings and streets named after German Generals from WWII.
Why no monuments?
 
Old 08-14-2017, 08:45 PM
 
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Why no monuments?
I agree, there should be monuments. There were great soldiers and leaders in Germany in those days even if they were controlled by a small number of Nazi's. The vast majority of Germany's military were not Nazi's but men of honor.
 
Old 08-14-2017, 08:46 PM
 
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The North, the Northern schools and Society have done such a great job of convincing just about everyone that is was "All about Slavery".

As mentioned, yes, Slavery was the biggest Issue, but it just wasn't that simple...
 
Old 08-14-2017, 08:48 PM
 
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I agree, there should be monuments. There were great soldiers and leaders in Germany in those days even if they were controlled by a small number of Nazi's. The vast majority of Germany's military were not Nazi's but men of honor.
I see you tap danced around the question. Why do you think Germany doesn't have monuments of Hitler or his generals? Give it your best shot...
 
Old 08-14-2017, 08:49 PM
 
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The North, the Northern schools and Society have done such a great job of convincing just about everyone that is was "All about Slavery".

As mentioned, yes, Slavery was the biggest Issue, but it just wasn't that simple...
It was mostly money and control. By many accounts the South was going to free the slaves on their own. They knew they would never be accepted as an independent nation until they did.
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