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But wasn't slavery legal at the time? Not to defend slavery but what makes it so horrid for men to take up arms in defense of a legal right? Many of those men also served in the US Army prior to the Civil War too, it's not as if they were outside agitators who'd never served their country.
IMO all this energetic outrage over decades old inanimate objects would be better used to protest things that affect us today like involvement in asinine wars of choice of no benefit to the US. Think what you will but those statues cause no harm.
Seems the anger is selective, since it didn't start with Robert Byrd.......how many places carry the Byrd name proudly?
Can anyone tell us what changed for the Democrats? This was 1992 and looks like the Confederate Flag was alive and well for many Democrats. Now Dems want it to look like it's President Trump who sides with all this mess. Taking down their own history and replacing it with who's history......remember Mohammed had slaves, also!
I love how leftist and black people use the N word everyday to each other and think a statue of a dead man is their biggest threat, yet the north won the war, slavery was removed. Yet they go out of their way to use the words of racists to say hello to themselves. You think about it really hard and tell me where your idealism matches the actions.
I also want to point out the thousands of white and black men who died for a cause in the civil war and I wonder if the left understands the difference on what REAL injustices look like or a bunch of idiots on the streets screaming white power or black power, hitler etc.
Also the southern war vs the north, was also about state rights vs federal government.
I love how leftist and black people use the N word everyday to each other and think a statue of a dead man is their biggest threat, yet the north won the war, slavery was removed. Yet they go out of their way to use the words of racists to say hello to themselves. You think about it really hard and tell me where your idealism matches the actions.
I also want to point out the thousands of white and black men who died for a cause in the civil war and I wonder if the left understands the difference on what REAL injustices look like or a bunch of idiots on the streets screaming white power or black power, hitler etc.
Also the southern war vs the north, was also about state rights vs federal government.
I don't use the N word. Not many days, not most days, not any days. Never have and can't see that I ever would. NONE of the black folks in my family nor my friends would either. What leftist do you know using these words everyday? Who are these people, why are you with them? Maybe you should ask them not to use that language.
What makes you think the people who would use that language are the majority of the ones who are protesting? Nor do I think a statue is the greatest threat, however that does not preclude me from wanting it removed. Like most humans I can care about more than one thing at a time.
Do you think it is those who are using that word amongst themselves who are the real threat to society, or do you think it might be the actual oppression that is at fault?
Not sure what the point of your second paragraph is. Why do you choose to castigate only liberals when speaking of white power or black power, hitler etc when speaking of the civil war?
You say "Also the southern war vs the north, was also about state rights vs federal government." I agree, much of it was about the southern states desire to have the right to keep slaves.
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Thread after thread after thread started today by those think there is some sort of "gotcha" to be had by suggesting the left is out to destroy anything and everything that has a vestige of a connection to slavery.
Is it really so difficult to understand that acknowledging that slavery existed is not the same thing as honoring those who were traitors to the United States and declared war against our country in order to preserve their right to own fellow human beings, esp. when participating in the Civil War is pretty much the sole reason there are statues and monuments for these men.
Yes, Washington and Jefferson owned slaves, but by all means, go ahead and show me which monuments specifically and solely honor them for their status as slave owners and the war they fought to perpetuate that barbarity....
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I don't use the N word. Not many days, not most days, not any days. Never have and can't see that I ever would. NONE of the black folks in my family nor my friends would either. What makes you think the people who would use that language are the majority of the ones who are protesting?
I think they just watched too many episodes of Snowfall or something...
To answer the thread question, yes, it's proving to be THIS difficult. You can give them exact quotes from the very people they claim as their "heritage" saying that the entire war was over slavery...and people still skip over this stuff. People are really choosing to ignore history while they scream about "erasing it". It's a very funny thing to witness.
but it is STATE tax payer land and the statue was approved by the state tax payers, so dont you think it would be up to them?
Black people have paid taxes in this country for as long as anyone else. Do you think they voted to have "colored" water fountains? "Colored bathrooms?" When taxes were paid to build colleges and universities, what percentage were forbidden to attend? Often, or almost always 100%.
Disenfranchisement, was not limited to just voting for elected officials.
"Direct" disenfranchisement refers to actions that explicitly prevent people from voting or having their votes counted, as opposed to "indirect" techniques, which attempt to prevent people's votes from having an impact on political outcomes (e.g., gerrymandering, ballot box stuffing, stripping elected officials of their powers).
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Not many people took offense when Ken Burns produced his ground-breaking documentary The Civil War some 20+years ago. Burns has gone on to a number of similar efforts, most of them presenting his own point of view in the process. And Burns was an early proponent of the increasingly-parroted argument that slavery, and slavery alone, was the cause of the Civil War.
But regardless of that point, Burns' work was a no-holds-barred account of a conflict which came to within a hair's breadth of ending the American Experiment, and of the means by which it was saved, as opposed to the interminable petty bickering which characterizes too many of the controversies aired here. We do ourselves a disservice by hiding both the controversies and the attempts by either side to reinforce its view by the use of memorials -- or their destruction in the name of the quasi-legitimized fad of Political Correctness.
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Taking down their own history and replacing it with who's history......remember Mohammed had slaves, also!
