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Since everyone wants to destroy all our monuments associated with racism, why don't they go after the big dog himself. Yes, Lincoln was extremely racist by definition.
Lincoln wanted to not only free the slaves, but he wanted them out of this country. He believed that African Americans would never experience true equality in America because he believed they were intellectually inferior to whites. Technically he wouldn't have been a true white supremacist because he also believed that blacks were intellectually inferior to other races including Native Americans. His plan to liberate them was actually to pay gobs of money to send African Americans that agreed to leave back to Africa because he thought that it would not only save this nation money in the long run, but that it would help eliminate the foreseen racial tension (that he predicted) which has taken place since the civil war.
Should we eliminate this monster from history?
No I'd rather eliminate Trump from the Presidency and then let history judge. My guess is Donny won't do very well when compared to old Abe!
Trump's loyal followers are trying to justify Trump supporting the KKK. They are trying to deflect the huge backlash from Republicans and corporations that denounce Trump's support of the KKK.
This thread is another lame attempt to deflect from the Trump trainwreck. There have been dozens of such 'deflection' posts for the past 3 days. The top story remains is that Trump supports the KKK and the rest of the country doesn't stand by him regarding such support.
No, this thread is an example of just how stupid removing history is. It's an example of how basically everything in our history is offensive by now days standards, so why do we get to pick and choose what goes? It has nothing to do with Trump. This has been going on for a while now.
Lincoln is remembered for emancipating the slaves and restoring the Union. Lee, Jackson, Mosby, etc are remembered for fighting a seditious war that was fought to protect an institution that more or less believed that owning human beings as property was a right. Confederate symbols and leaders and the Confederacy itself have been an integral part of American White Supremacy ever since the post Civil War era. Nevermind the fact that Davis, Lee, Jackson, Mosby, etc were a bunch of traitors. See the difference?
The champions of the Confederacy were lucky they weren't hanged after the war. They sure as hell don't deserve statues on American soil.
^^^^^^This. Most people thought Blacks were sub-human at that time.
And that is why History should always be taken into context. Judging people of 150 years ago by today's standards is not only a mistake but also intellectually dishonest.
Yes we can and should recognize that actions that harmed others were wrong, for we have evolved. What we shouldn't do is judge people as evil, because the behavior of the day was an accepted practice. Evil is premeditated. The taboo is both known and considered unacceptable. The evil person does it anyway.
Example. By today's standards hanging a man for stealing a horse, would be and should be considered murder.
150 years ago stealing a horse from a man crossing the rockies might very well result in his death. That horse was the difference between life and death.
During the sale days it was an accepted practice. It was absolutely wrong and we have evolved away from it. We can judge it as wrong today, because we have evolved. In the day Africans enslaved other Africans. Native Americans enslaved other Native Americans. How many would judge Crazy Horse or Sitting Bull or any other great Chief of the tribes as evil men? They only conducted themselves based upon their cultural norms.
Racist or not.. he did set the wheels in motion to abolish slavery for good in the South.. He may have felt that blacks were inferior to whites but he did not think they should be in eternal bondage and that alone but him a few notches above many others from that era.
Since everyone wants to destroy all our monuments associated with racism, why don't they go after the big dog himself. Yes, Lincoln was extremely racist by definition.
Lincoln wanted to not only free the slaves, but he wanted them out of this country. He believed that African Americans would never experience true equality in America because he believed they were intellectually inferior to whites. Technically he wouldn't have been a true white supremacist because he also believed that blacks were intellectually inferior to other races including Native Americans. His plan to liberate them was actually to pay gobs of money to send African Americans that agreed to leave back to Africa because he thought that it would not only save this nation money in the long run, but that it would help eliminate the foreseen racial tension (that he predicted) which has taken place since the civil war.
Should we eliminate this monster from history?
Yes, all mentions of Lincoln in history books and all statues of him have to be removed and destroyed. DC, a city built on the back of slaves, needs to be razed to the ground and let's give the swamp back to the swamp.
Since everyone wants to destroy all our monuments associated with racism, why don't they go after the big dog himself. Yes, Lincoln was extremely racist by definition.
Lincoln wanted to not only free the slaves, but he wanted them out of this country. He believed that African Americans would never experience true equality in America because he believed they were intellectually inferior to whites. Technically he wouldn't have been a true white supremacist because he also believed that blacks were intellectually inferior to other races including Native Americans. His plan to liberate them was actually to pay gobs of money to send African Americans that agreed to leave back to Africa because he thought that it would not only save this nation money in the long run, but that it would help eliminate the foreseen racial tension (that he predicted) which has taken place since the civil war.
Should we eliminate this monster from history?
They want to destroy them, or simply remove them out of public places?
Since everyone wants to destroy all our monuments associated with racism, why don't they go after the big dog himself. Yes, Lincoln was extremely racist by definition.
Lincoln wanted to not only free the slaves, but he wanted them out of this country. He believed that African Americans would never experience true equality in America because he believed they were intellectually inferior to whites. Technically he wouldn't have been a true white supremacist because he also believed that blacks were intellectually inferior to other races including Native Americans. His plan to liberate them was actually to pay gobs of money to send African Americans that agreed to leave back to Africa because he thought that it would not only save this nation money in the long run, but that it would help eliminate the foreseen racial tension (that he predicted) which has taken place since the civil war.
Should we eliminate this monster from history?
I want to be clear on just my position; I'm not about destroying monuments that can be linked to racism in any way. This could mean almost all statues should come down.
I don't believe in celebrating the confederacy. That's it.
Lincoln was a notorious racist. This is true. But he ultimately fought a good fight. Washington was racist as well; doesn't mean he's not example of what a great president is.
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. DC, a city built on the back of slaves, needs to be razed to the ground
and let's give the swamp back to the swamp.
