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Will note along with a previous poster that Arlington is where Lee lived before the war.
Also that the home is a historical site about Lee and the confederacy. IMO it is an appropriate, historical place for such a site and any confederate monuments there.
Hell I knew they'd go after the cemeteries. Obvious target. This is going to be a massacre of all Confederate anything. Any and all imagery will be deemed offensive and the lables of traitors, oppressers, and even cowards applied. Calling so.eone who fought for the Confederacy a coward does not sit welll with me. They braved the same dangers and hardships in the field as Union soldiers. Hair curling stuff. With medicine what it was in the period death on the battlefield was preferable.
These men were NOT cowards. And to my mind they deserve the same recognition a d honors of any other soldier. The Union soldiers and commanders of the time felt the same. They had respect even though they were enemies. I've no problem with that tradition.
Trump continues to make a bad situation worse. From the article (quote):
Further, I also think that if any Southern governor takes it upon himself or herself to ever allow the removal or destruction of Confederate statues in his or her state, there will be a confrontation that will make Charlottesville look like a a playground brawl between eight-year-olds.
So .... Charlottesville is in Virginia. Virginia IS a southern state. Richmond was the capitol of the confederacy. McClellan marched up the VA peninsula from Fort Monroe to take Richmond during the Seven Days Battle which he lost and which brought Lee into prominence. With a few exceptions, most every major Civil War battle was fought in Virginia.
Monument Avenue in Richmond contains statues of Robert E. Lee, J.E.B. Stuart, Jefferson Davis, Stonewall Jackson, Matthew Fontaine Maury, and Arthur Ashe.
The latter two are famous persons from Richmond not in the Civil War.
Again, it's a plaque and corresponding stone structure, installed in 1981 -- 1981, people! -- that are being removed. No individual soldier's grave or marker has been disturbed.
This is 100% Trump's fault. Trump's words about Charlottesville cause all this backlash. If Trump said different words than none of these local cities would have chosen to remove the statues so quickly and many would have left them there.
This is a direct result of having a president that doesn't know how to lead the country. Trump is the reason that all these statues are being removed promptly. Trump failed. It's Trump that's causing these statues to be removed now, not the lefties. Give Trump the credit he's due .
Not at all. It did not matter one iota what Trump said after the riots. He was going to be lambasted anyway. Though in the end, when time elapses and the record books are updated, it will be there for all to see, Trump condemned White Supremacists, KKK and Nazi thugs in no uncertain terms. They will try and nail him in the debates before the next election on this topic. Not going to have much steam by then, as again he can point to his official condemnation of those White groups in his presser.
It's a problem that we have such a binary right/wrong view of the world today.
This is certainly a very emotional and to some people, personal issue. To me, Confederacy veterans, whatever their individual motivations were (and some were certainly noble), engaged in an armed rebellion against the legal and legitimate democratically formed government that they belonged to. Sure, nothing can change this fact. If you judge them by today's moral standard, then, I can kind of agree with you if you say each and every one is a traitor
However, are they not American fighting men? Are they not? I don’t have an issue with them on tombstones, state flags, reenactments, or military ceremonies.
Again, it's a plaque and corresponding stone structure, installed in 1981 -- 1981, people! -- that are being removed. No individual soldier's grave or marker has been disturbed.
Correct, the article should have indicated plaque to make it clear. It is minor but still an overreaction, I don't see the point and it is a historic cemetery, not a public square.
Add Camp Douglas/Oak Woods Cemetery to the confederate cemeteries. are those graves to be dishonored too?
Camp Douglas. Out side of Chicago ILL, a POW and detention camp for confederate prisoners. Notorious for its deliberate torture and attempts to kill prisoners.
from Wiki you can look it up if you wish. "Camp Douglas eventually came to be noted for its poor conditions and death rate of between seventeen and twenty-three percent. Some 4,275 Confederate prisoners were known to be reinterred from the camp cemetery to a mass grave at Oak Woods Cemetery after the war."
Mass grave deserves a plaque in my book.
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Why are there confederate monuments in Arlington cemetery? That's inappropriate. The confederacy is an act of treason; it's not a quaint cultural relic. Get it into your dull head, folks.
Actually, it's your commentary that is treasonous and anti-American.
Confederate soldiers are officially considered American veterans and have the same protections as Union soldiers because of an act of Congress called Public Law 810 and other federal laws.
Union and Confederate soldiers are considered U.S. veterans under federal law. Confederate soldiers would be entitled to the same benefits as Union soldiers today.
The animosity and vitriol the left has focused on Confederate statues, soldiers, and memorials is really just another example of their hatred of the military. The fetish some liberals have for desecrating military cemetaries is completely unsurprising. It is predictable.
The link directly above says that the former GOP Gov of FL as well as the GOP FL Senate previously removed confederate items from Florida state property (Tallahassee is state capital where items were removed). Florida is a southern state, with R controlled governor and R state congress too. It's not just the liberals doing this.
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