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Did you just say that believing in gay rights and concern over the environment makes you a Communist? Surely not.
Now true enough that both liberals and Communists have opposed fascists - like during WW2.
What? I never said anything about gay rights. I believe in gay rights, and I'm not even liberal. What I believe in that most Antifa don't is capitalism.
However, trying to link the Democratic party, or the left, with communism, is disingenuous, at best.
Isn't it though? In the same way that media and the left continues to try to link the Republican party, and the POTUS for that matter, to nazis, fascism, white supremacists, etc. It IS "disingenuous at best". Yet it continues, even right here on this very forum.
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Originally Posted by AnesthesiaMD As the bolded says, "speak out, speak out, speak out". If I have said anything here, it is that we all have a constitutional right to speak out. The more, the better! That is how we should be settling our differences. That is how we stand up for people's rights.
My argument is that violence should only be used as a defense. Whoever initiates the violence is in the wrong.
Your argument is that it is sometimes right to use physical violence with someone who was not physically violent with you first.
I disagree.
Yes, we do all have a Constitutional right to free speech, which was my biggest beef with what happened in Charlottesville. That more were not outraged by a city violating anyone's 1st Amendment rights is pretty pathetic.
Yes, violence should only be done in defense. antifa's entire premise is that it's okay to shut people down using violence. BAMN means "by any means necessary" and they mean violence. Their entire point of showing up anywhere is to use violence to shut people down that they don't like.
Milo will be going to Berkeley again in the coming months. Yep. So we get to see antifa pull their crap again if the police do not do their jobs.
ALL of this can be prevented if the city would stop telling the police to stand down. antifa and BAMN are not just the idiot unwashed brats on the ground with their sticks, broken glass, urine filled bottles, M80s, etc, it's people in charge, as well. You don't cut it off at ground level, you cut it off at the head.
It has been proven that antifa is absolutely useless and stupid without their masks and allowances to act any way that they want....that was proven months ago somewhere in the south, I forget where they were.
As for people on the left who continue to make excuses for antifa: They don't like you liberals, either. Anyone to the right of antifa...which is just about everyone...is an enemy of antifa. They've already made the statement that liberals will get it, too. So stop sticking up for them and saying, "but...but what about..." get a clue. If this country were to go to complete shiite and a war started, they would not protect you lefties. You know who would? All of those people who are not white supremacists that you continue to label white supremacists because you're too blind and ignorant to see what's going on.
People claim to be "progressive" because it's a word that makes them fell all warm and fuzzy, even when they are ignorant of the root movement. Make no mistake, progressivism is an ideology based movement. It's a cute name, a feel good word, for the underlying doctrine which is Marxism.
Spare me the levels of what something is. Progressives are sheep, the puppet masters pushing the "feel good" meme's are insidious, PERIOD!
Look, if a person can call out confederates (150 years ago) and back Antifa claiming to be anti fascists and will hurt people to enforce their position... then by all means, act like you don't understand the danger of fascists claiming to be anti-fascists. You will be among their first fresh meat.
When you've lost what you didn't realize you had, it'll be too late. You need to ask yourself if you're excusing away your very freedom to zealots.
I'm really not that politically-minded and so the first word association that comes to mind when I hear the term progressive is always "Teddy Roosevelt," who does not strike me as sheeplike.
Then I immediately jump to Upton Sinclair and his book, The Jungle, that described the state of the meat packing industry back-in-the-day. The stories of the workers who when they fell into the vats and were ground up into sausage were consumed by folks who had no idea what or who they were eating. Now I know Sinclair was a socialist so maybe that isn't the best reference. But the laws that were passed to regulate the meat packing industry during that Progressive Era simply don't strike me as being all that objectionable.
So, yeah, I don't have a fear of the word "progressive."
My only point was that it never occurred to me that being concerned about the environment made one a Progressive that then made one a Communist. New stuff to me.
Likewise, I don't know that the good people of C'ville who voted (well, their council did) to remove the Confederate Statues consider themselves to be in any way associated with the Antifa who chose to come to town in response to the AltRight coming to town.
This is all getting so very complicated. More complicated than it needs to be.
What? I never said anything about gay rights. I believe in gay rights, and I'm not even liberal. What I believe in that most Antifa don't is capitalism.
You objected to the - heck - I'm not going to back and pull it up but tied in to my reference to the various belief systems supported by the antifa without further elaborating. The only beliefs that mentioned in my post were: gay rights, the environment, and fascism.
Well, we're on the same page now and seem to agree about gay rights (for) and capitalism (for). And antifa (against). But unless I am so very muddled I think we both could be labelled as progressives for our beliefs in gay rights and, in theory, be tossed into the Commie basket.
I don't mean to make light of this - but this really is the logical implication of various positions that can be taken. Right wing Republicans who support the removal of the Confederate statues don't wanted to be labeled - and understandably so - as racists. And so on. None of it is helpful.
What if the kid goes after someone who's a better fighter than he is, and gets seriously injured? Will they still stand there in the hospital beaming while the kid pushes the button for more morphine? Sounds like these parents are either fanatics, hopelessly naive of the danger they are encouraging their son to get himself into. He could be permanently maimed or killed.
I couldn't believe what I was reading in Dockside post you quoted for this reply. So the kid figures he is so vindicated in his views he can just take an arbitrary swing at someone who holds a different take on things? And his parents are ok , even proud of that? I deed, if the least that happens to him is just getting a mud hole stomped in him hell be fortunate.
There's always somebody out there that is just the guy you REALLY don't want to mess with. He's generally peacable, isn't looking for any trouble. Furthest thing from his mind. Then along comes some snot nosed little rodent like this kid, who winds up learning the hard way that being a punk is a poor life choice.
Reads much like a treatise on post-modernism as well. I see some parallels between what is described and the ever-growing regressive SJW thought movement.
Is he making a moral equivalency claim between antifa and neo-Nazis ?
>>>> I thought we've all come to the conclusion that they are equally bad? They are, no defending either group.
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