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Old 08-18-2017, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Nevada
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In 1910 the residents of Concord, Massachusetts placed a plaque at the graves of 3 unknown British soldiers who died at the Old North Bridge in the Battle of Concord in the Revolutionary War. The grave is at a rock wall near the bridge at its eastern end.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_North_Bridge

Picture of the memorial...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_No..._July_2014.jpg

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Well, we got another one here. British soldiers honored on American soil? Will those opposed to the Confederate statues demand the removal of this memorial? I think consistency calls for them to do so.

Yes or no?
The memorials honoring soldiers should stay. We should all remember that those who died in battles were only doing what leaders told them to do, it's the same with Confederate soldiers, I can't speak for those soldiers but most, if not all of them, were ordinary people just like us the only difference is they were caught in conflicts that didn't have to happen.
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Old 08-18-2017, 04:52 PM
 
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The memorials honoring soldiers should stay. We should all remember that those who died in battles were only doing what leaders told them to do, it's the same with Confederate soldiers, I can't speak for those soldiers but most, if not all of them, were ordinary people just like us the only difference is they were caught in conflicts that didn't have to happen.
Indeed. 600,000 guys died who didn't have to, because some old schmucks decided their investment in human beings couldn't be allowed to lose value. They were also victims. Their leaders weren't.

It is in fact possiblt to mourn the loss of the former without heaping honor on the latter.
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Old 08-18-2017, 05:16 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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Originally Posted by No_Recess View Post
In 1910 the residents of Concord, Massachusetts placed a plaque at the graves of 3 unknown British soldiers who died at the Old North Bridge in the Battle of Concord in the Revolutionary War. The grave is at a rock wall near the bridge at its eastern end.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_North_Bridge

Picture of the memorial...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_No..._July_2014.jpg

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Well, we got another one here. British soldiers honored on American soil? Will those opposed to the Confederate statues demand the removal of this memorial? I think consistency calls for them to do so.

Yes or no?
I think you need to read the entire poem and reflect on the tragedy and futility of their deaths that Lowell conveyed in those lines and then more deeply consider whether or not you're asking the right question.
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Old 08-18-2017, 05:22 PM
 
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MA. is a reasonable place. We have a great Republican Governor. I doubt you are gonna see much unrest here and we don't deal in hate as a basis for our commonwealth. We may be human like everyone else, but we all have in mind the improvement of the commonwealth...and that is a liberal and progressive ideal.

I am highly in favor of historical markers and plaques. The Brits were not traitors - as noted above - the Americans were. Heck, Ben Franklin would have been a Brit had not the King turned him and his friends down for a grant of 2.4 MILLION acres in Ohio. This left Ben and his kin (son, mostly) looking for a way to make a living...and revolution provided it. His son stayed a Brit....was Gov. of New Jersey but went out with the tide.

England is still our mother - so to speak. Our laws and culture were based upon that of the Brits (and French - after the revolution).
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Old 08-18-2017, 05:29 PM
 
Location: SGV
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I think you need to read the entire poem and reflect on the tragedy and futility of their deaths that Lowell conveyed in those lines and then more deeply consider whether or not you're asking the right question.
What is the "right" question?
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Old 08-18-2017, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Florida
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MA. is a reasonable place. We have a great Republican Governor. I doubt you are gonna see much unrest here and we don't deal in hate as a basis for our commonwealth. We may be human like everyone else, but we all have in mind the improvement of the commonwealth...and that is a liberal and progressive ideal.

I am highly in favor of historical markers and plaques. The Brits were not traitors - as noted above - the Americans were. Heck, Ben Franklin would have been a Brit had not the King turned him and his friends down for a grant of 2.4 MILLION acres in Ohio. This left Ben and his kin (son, mostly) looking for a way to make a living...and revolution provided it. His son stayed a Brit....was Gov. of New Jersey but went out with the tide.

England is still our mother - so to speak. Our laws and culture were based upon that of the Brits (and French - after the revolution).
I sincerely doubt that anyone in Massachusetts or all of New England, for that matter, is offended by the Union Jack. In fact there are pubs all over the country with those flags. It signifies fish and chips, bangers and mash and a great beer selection.
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Old 08-19-2017, 01:43 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Britain was a colonial power that exploited natives, many of them had brown skin. Therefore any memory of them must be eradicated. If you don't agree, you are a RACIST!!!
Due to the efforts of people such as William Wilberforce. Slavery was banned in Britain long before the American Civil War OF 1861-65.

The actual slave trade was banned under the Slave Trade Act 1807, whilst slavery itself was abolished in the Slavery Abolition Act 1833 and subsequent legislation in 1843.

Slave Trade Act 1807 - Wikipedia

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Indian Slavery Act of 1843 - Wikipedia

Slavery abolished in America - Dec 18, 1865 - HISTORY.com

John Newton was born in Wapping London, in 1725 ( 24 July 1725 – 21 December 1807) and was an English sailor, in the Royal Navy later a becoming a captain of slave ships. After being saved from death in s storm, he vowed to devote his life to God and turned his back on the slave trade, he later became ordained as an evangelical Anglican cleric and served Olney, Buckinghamshire in England for two decades and later a parish in London. Newton wrote a number of hymns, his best known being "Amazing Grace" and "Glorious Things of Thee Are Spoken".

John Newton - Wikipedia

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Old 08-19-2017, 09:21 AM
 
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I sincerely doubt that anyone in Massachusetts or all of New England, for that matter, is offended by the Union Jack. In fact there are pubs all over the country with those flags. It signifies fish and chips, bangers and mash and a great beer selection.
As long as no Yorkshire or blood pudding is served with that I am OK....

Yeah, we even have a local band (Beatles Cover) called Union Jack. None called Nazi Stormers tho....
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Old 08-19-2017, 09:23 AM
 
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What next? Currency?

What about all the politicians who voted against equal rights for blacks and women? Destroy everything attached to them, as well?
The ones who vote that way these days SHOULD be removed from office. But they aren't.

So let's start with the problems right in front of our face. If you agree to vote out the pols that you formerly supported who are racist, sexist, white supremisists and/or just plain incapable...that would be a good start.
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