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Old 08-18-2017, 12:19 AM
 
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In 1910 the residents of Concord, Massachusetts placed a plaque at the graves of 3 unknown British soldiers who died at the Old North Bridge in the Battle of Concord in the Revolutionary War. The grave is at a rock wall near the bridge at its eastern end.

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Graves of British soldiers

American poet James Russell Lowell wrote in his poem "Lines" (1849) of the graves of two of the three British
soldiers who died at the bridge:

Two graves are here: to mark the place,
At head and foot, an unhewn stone,
O'er which the herald lichens trace
The blazon of Oblivion.


But in 1910 residents of Concord placed a plaque to mark the graves using other lines from Lowell's poem:

They came three thousand miles and died,
to keep the past upon its throne:
Unheard, beyond the ocean tide,
their English Mother made her moan.
April 19, 1775
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_North_Bridge

Picture of the memorial...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_No..._July_2014.jpg

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Well, we got another one here. British soldiers honored on American soil? Will those opposed to the Confederate statues demand the removal of this memorial? I think consistency calls for them to do so.

Yes or no?
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Old 08-18-2017, 12:23 AM
 
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Yes, the British soldiers were traitors just like the Confederates...oh wait the Patriots were technically traitors .
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Old 08-18-2017, 12:29 AM
 
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Yes, the British soldiers were traitors just like the Confederates...oh wait the Patriots were technically traitors .
All this history to erase and so little time!

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Old 08-18-2017, 12:31 AM
 
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Of course they will sooner or later. If you can erase a populace's history, you can re-mold it into anything the ruling class desires.
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Old 08-18-2017, 12:48 AM
 
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Of course they will sooner or later. If you can erase a populace's history, you can re-mold it into anything the ruling class desires.
I don't know.

British dudes aren't on the Left's pet list. If they do get there it will take some time.
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Old 08-18-2017, 02:14 AM
 
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In 1910 the residents of Concord, Massachusetts placed a plaque at the graves of 3 unknown British soldiers who died at the Old North Bridge in the Battle of Concord in the Revolutionary War. The grave is at a rock wall near the bridge at its eastern end.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_North_Bridge

Picture of the memorial...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_No..._July_2014.jpg

**************************************************

Well, we got another one here. British soldiers honored on American soil? Will those opposed to the Confederate statues demand the removal of this memorial? I think consistency calls for them to do so.

Yes or no?
I can't say I am that bothered, although it is worth pointing out that Brtain has a number of memorials to Americans and their service personnel.

There is a memorial on Dartmoor in England, in relation to the nearly 300 American and over 1000 French Prisoners of War who died there during the 1812 War, and as well as the monuments and plaques, we have a dedicated stained glass window in the prisoners honour that was donated by the United States Daughters of 1812 at nearby Church of St Michael at Princetown in Devon.

Dartmoor Memorial

Dartmoor POW memorial church window restored - BBC News

Other US Memorials include -

Cambridge American Cemetery | American Battle Monuments

Cambridge American Cemetery photo appeal for US war dead - BBC News

Brookwood American Cemetery | American Battle Monuments

Lisnabreeny - American Military Cemetery

Lisnabreeny cemetery tribute to fallen US servicemen - BBC News

Dartmouth Monument | American Battle Monuments Commission

The Runnymede Memorial - Kennedy Memorial TrustStatues of 6 American Presidents in London - Guide London

Statue of Abraham Lincoln, Lincoln Square, Manchester

We even have plaques commemorating traitors such as John Paul Jones, founder of the US Navy.

America Invades Whitehaven

John Paul Jones green plaque in Kirkbean | Blue Plaque Places

As for the US Civil War, two US Cities were on different sides, Manchester whose workers suffered due to the decline in the cotton trade during the Civil War was against the slave trade, and at the end of the War Abraham Lincoln wrote a letter of thankyou to the people of Manchester, however nearby Liverpool was supporting the South and suplying the Confederate Navy, indeed the final surrender by the South was in Liverpool in England when James Waddell, Captain of the CSS Shenandoah, surrendered at Liverpool Town Hall.

From the archive: 1863, Lincoln's great debt to Manchester | Guardian

BBC iWonder - Why did Abraham Lincoln come to Manchester?

Abe Lincoln and the 'sublime heroism' of British workers - BBC News

ACWS Archives - Lincoln's Letter to the Working-Men of Manchester

The American Civil War surrender on the Mersey - BBC News

Liverpool and the American Civil War - Merseyside Maritime Museum

End of the war - Merseyside Maritime Museum, Liverpool museums

As for General Lee his family originated from the aptly named Coton in Shropshire.

BBC - Shropshire - History - House with its roots in history

Confederate leader General Lee's home on sale for £2m | Daily Mail

Washington Old Hall - National Trust

Benjamin Franklin House - London


Still want to take doen that plaque.


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Old 08-18-2017, 07:49 AM
 
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Leave it. Honoring the bravery of the dead is not the same as honoring the cause for which they died.

However, if it's a statue of King George, it has no business being anywhere on Aerican soil - except in a museum.
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:07 AM
 
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Keep 'em. You can despise certain times in history, be disgusted with parts of history, be ashamed, even regret the role your country might have played at times in history. You can run, but not hide from history. Wherever you go, there you are, as some script writer once wrote.
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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Every plaque or statue in the nation has to be removed....DC should be razed to the ground as it was built on the backs of slaves. Let's move our capitol out of that swamp into a place where Republicans won't be shot to win a baseball game.
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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