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Old 08-19-2017, 01:37 PM
 
Location: East Chicago, IN
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If you're a guy in his 40s or 50s living anywhere in this country and you genuinely don't have the capacity to figure out how to utilize computer software to run something, I ain't got nothing for you. Smartphones and tablets run rampant.
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Old 08-19-2017, 03:01 PM
 
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Nice ad hominem attack. Typical Trumpster

Do you know what "ad hominem" means? The articles cited are thinly disguised arguments for why we must continue to offshore manufacturing jobs and bring in many more foreign IT workers with an expanded H-1B visa program: no US workers to fill them. This is globalist propaganda and decidedly untrue.


I did vote for Trump in the last election but not out of conviction. You can say he was the best of a bad lot.

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Old 08-20-2017, 12:45 PM
 
Location: NC
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These jobs that you posit are going begging are mainly in a technology or associated fields. Many job openings require not just a bachelor's degree but an advanced degree with significant experience in a specialization. As I posted before, most folks nowadays don't have the intellect and drive to master these difficult fields and even if they did, they may lack the temperament.


And both parties (the "duopoly") have bought into the globalist agenda and throwing more money at the educational establishment for "retraining."
As already explained, the only "globalist agenda" is economics 101. Business will be guided, as if by an invisible hand, to be as profitable as it can be. That's it.

Even to be a CNC Machinist, or a furniture maker, you need to be able to understand icurrent technology. If you work in a textile factory, you won't be operating a cotten gin, you'll be operating a chemical process, or programming a PLC (Programmable Logic Controller), or operating a SCADA board. Anyone can learn to do it, but they have to be willing to work.

It's not a globalist agenda, it's just economics in the 21st century.
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Old 08-20-2017, 12:51 PM
 
Location: NC
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If you're a guy in his 40s or 50s living anywhere in this country and you genuinely don't have the capacity to figure out how to utilize computer software to run something, I ain't got nothing for you. Smartphones and tablets run rampant.
My profession is related to training incumbent workers in process industries, and they are learning it. Companies are investing, and most people are remarkably flexible.

What is interesting is the current changing of the guard. Older people are challenged with learning technology (it isn't always easy, but they are doing it) and younger people bring the technology, but are challenged with getting their hands dirty. Companies that can bring the two groups together and leverage the varied skillsets are doing well.

The biggest of the big companies (oil supermajors, etc...) are training people 40's and 50's (and 60's) in ssubject like Data Communications, and Cybersecurity. There is a huge demand for qualified workers. One approach is to train the ones we have, and that works for people already working, and it works in areas where politicians will allow the community colleges to teach the actual skills needed by local industry, but it does not work when idealogical politicians make empty promises or when they vilify education.
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Old 08-20-2017, 12:53 PM
 
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The US is the world's largest and most innovative manufacturer. Not sure how much more you want.
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Old 08-20-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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The US is the world's largest and most innovative manufacturer. Not sure how much more you want.
Really ? And this was a few years ago.
https://www.mapi.net/blog/2015/09/ch...t-manufacturer
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Old 08-20-2017, 02:36 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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The author's pen name should be Captain Obvious.
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Old 08-20-2017, 03:00 PM
 
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Really ? And this was a few years ago.
https://www.mapi.net/blog/2015/09/ch...t-manufacturer
Yea, really, those numbers are just the absolute numbers, but China's numbers are boosted by US companies.

The US all in all, is the number one country in the world for manufacturing. China's manufacturing power does not exist without the US. However, the US exists just fine without China.

The US is also the source for innovation, which drives manufacturing.
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Old 08-20-2017, 05:39 PM
 
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In WV, how about if we retrain them to be oil workers on the Frack? The USA has proven to be competitive there, and it is 100% on the backs of hardworking people AND improved productivity via technology.

Hell, some of them can continue to mine coal as long as there is demand, but the demand will remain a lot longer if we use as much technology and automation to keep prices low, and therefore remain competitive versus other technologies (like O&G, Solar, Wind, etc...).

Think for yourself, globalism is happening, whether it's a conspiracy or not. If you believe in Adam Smith's free-market economics (invisible hand and all that), surely you have to understand this.
All Economies today are "globalist" - the USA has been lagging with a very, very sluggish GDP growth.
GDP is pretty simple to understand - The GDP (Gross Domestic Product) is simply the sum total of all goods and services made, manufactured and delivered in the U.S.A. minus the total value of our imported goods.

Answer to increase GDP (and jobs) is we export more than we import. Some of the old jobs have left the building, but new export jobs have (or will soon) be replacing those. The trick is to change minds/attitudes and instead of reliving a past - move to the future. Removing regulations that strangle growth will do a lot, re-nogtiating Trade Deals/Import-Export will help a lot and ramping up our Exports will help a lot. Education initiatives at the State Level (those degrees in Gender Studies and a variety of Culture degrees) are not the way forward. Tax Reform (REAL reform, not fake reform) will bring Trillions of dollars back into the US Economy, which will produce more jobs and investments.

The USA is going to be the World Leader in exporting Energy (primarily LNG) - that is the "new industry" - It will mean a ton of jobs in equipment, infrastructure and production. Old industries will still be around and hopefully improve. Education will hopefully get back to preparing Students for Careers/Jobs and not for Marches in the Streets. Regulations have be cut by about 75%, which means a road/bridge can be built in less than 10 years without 200 Lawyers working on the case.

All of this is taking place NOW.
1. Coal production is up in the USA this year about 15% .... that has saved some jobs.
2. Coal exports are up about 60% this year - nothing but good in that.
3. Reuters announced that the GDP is going up -- more exports than imports.
4. NAFTA meetings are going on NOW - not much if anything in the news, but they are renegotiating deals.

Atlanta Fed estimates U.S. third-quarter GDP growing at 4.0 percent |Reuters - August 3, 2017

Did any of you see big headlines about the 4% GDP?? Me either, but it's huge partly because all the Media/Economists said it was not just "improbable", but impossible. Did any of you hear the Infrastructure Speech this week or read about it in the news? Me either.
I know many don't like President Trump, but all that stuff I listed has happened in just 200 days in office.

I wonder what he and his team could get done IF the Media and Left were not fighting him tooth and nail daily?
I wonder what he and his team could get done if the CongressCritters cooperated just a little bit?
I wonder what he and his team could get done if the the Issues of the Day were JOBS/Economy and not Statues, Marches & RUSSIA-RUSSIA-RUSSIA?
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