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Old 08-18-2017, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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The only statue I want removed is this damn beast that scares the hell out of me and others on the way to the airport. This monstrosity killed its maker.
I can remember the first time I flew into Denver and saw that - - I understand you 100%!
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Old 08-19-2017, 12:36 AM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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Okay, I'll bite. I think it's disgraceful that Colorado still has a town called Chivington, which was established in 1887 fewer than ten miles from where Reverend John Milton Chivington, a colonel in the United States Volunteers, led the Colorado Territory Militia to slaughter a peaceful village of noncombatant Cheyenne & Arapaho (mostly women and children) in the Sand Creek Massacre of 1864.







Granted, Chivington is a ghost town and returning to prairie, but still, it's long past time to scrub his name from the maps.

Footnote: At one time, one could find a street named after Chivington in Longmont, Colorado, which is north of Denver. After a two-decade long campaign, city leaders finally agreed to change the name. It is now Sunrise Drive.
Kudos to Kit Carson and you. Wipe that azzhole from Colorado's map.
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Old 08-19-2017, 09:18 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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The only statue I want removed is this damn beast that scares the hell out of me and others on the way to the airport. This monstrosity killed its maker.
Count me in. That thing is terrifying.
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Old 08-19-2017, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Here.
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Removing every trace of the Confederacy isn't going to decrease the black-on-black crime in our inner cities.
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Old 08-19-2017, 09:42 AM
 
Location: too far from the sea
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Mostly I don't believe in this renaming or tearing down of statues. A few years ago they renamed a high school sports team because it was called "redskins." Dumb. Obviously it was called redskins because people regarded Native Americans as brave and strong--so it was an honor.

If a city or town in the south thinks their statue of a confederate general sends a message that is wrong to them, they can take it down. If they want to keep their statues, let them. Gradually, I think they will wise up and want to take the statues down. I can see why this particular general would be seen as offensive to blacks and I would lean more toward taking them down. But I am not from the south so I don't even understand why they have these statues at all, maybe for pride. That would be okay. If it's to intimidate people, take them down. It's the intent that matters.

The renaming is really stupid--no human is perfect so anything named after someone is named after an imperfect person.
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Old 08-19-2017, 01:57 PM
 
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This rush to remove or rename has come as quite a surprise to me.

My guess is there has been quite a bit of resentment bubbling under the surface. The locals know when the monuments were erected, and what the motivation was, something I could not know.

It is a local issue and I think the citizens of the local communities need to make those decisions without interference from outside one way or the other.
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Old 08-19-2017, 05:37 PM
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Removing every trace of the Confederacy isn't going to decrease the black-on-black crime in our inner cities.
And bringing up Black on Black crime isn't going to change the outcome of renaming streets/taking down Confederate statues. The two have nothing to do with each other. And the fact that you bring up black on black crime tells me you likely know alot of Blacks view the Confederacy in a negative way.

Want to bring up crime? There are plenty of threads on CD on that topic. This is not the time or the place for it.
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Old 08-19-2017, 05:47 PM
 
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Tear down all the signs and buildings honoring former KKK Sen. Robert Byrd. Just being fair, right?
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Old 08-19-2017, 06:06 PM
 
Location: The South
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The idea of renaming streets, taking down statues, etc. is all the rage since Charlottesville. Sure it's been done in the past, but it seems like overnight WHAM - everyone wants in on the action.

I see thread after thread commenting on should they rename this or take down that. Instead, let's put it all in one place.

Share your thoughts on something specific, or in general. Maybe it's the street you live on or a statue in a local park. Maybe it's something you saw in the news. It's insane this movement that's going on right now.

I'll start -
John Henry the owner of the Boston Red Sox wants to rename Yawkey Way because when Yawkey was the owner the Red Sox were the last team to integrate. BS - it's baseball, and even if he was the last, he changed by integrating. People can change.
Abe Lincoln stood on both sides of the fence on slavery. It wasn't named in the constitution, but clauses protected the institution. Any talk of taking down anything Lincoln is ludicrous IMHO.
Hurry up and take it all down . Then every thing will be OK.
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Old 08-20-2017, 12:22 PM
 
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They need to melt down this statue. It gives children nightmares.
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