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Old 08-18-2017, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Very insightful video!

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Old 08-18-2017, 09:58 PM
 
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Confederate statues are nonart not historical. By nature that makes them optioned based and political. Erecting/removable of them merely reflect the local politics.
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Old 08-19-2017, 12:19 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You guys just found out that statues, monuments, plaques, tombstones and flags are mass-produced?

Well, I guess better late than never.

And oh yeah, those things were mass-produced for Union statues, monuments, and plaques at the same time. Your SJW is wrong...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.09be1fb607d8
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Old 08-19-2017, 12:38 AM
 
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There is a good graphic at Politico showing the location of the more than 1500 Confederate commemorations and a map of the black population.

1,503 Confederate symbols*are on display across America.*Most are in the South. 179 are in majority black counties

And Vox has a good timeline showing when Confederate commemorations were erected:

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/...e-supremacists
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Old 08-19-2017, 12:40 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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There is a good graphic at Politico showing the location of the more than 1500 Confederate commemorations and a map of the black population.

1,503 Confederate symbols*are on display across America.*Most are in the South. 179 are in majority black counties
The Confederacy was in the South. Most Black people live in the South.

We're firing on all cylinders now folks!
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Old 08-19-2017, 12:43 AM
 
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The Confederacy was in the South. Most Black people live in the South.

We're firing on all cylinders now folks!
Of course, and naturally the vast majority of the symbols/statues are located in States that belonged to the confederacy and that also had the highest populations of black slaves.

All the more reason to get rid of them. There should be no symbols honoring forces that sought the enslavement and terrorization of black Americans.
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Old 08-19-2017, 12:49 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The point here is that these "monuments" are not (always) some special reflection of of a grand and honorable history. They serve as propaganda, a source of misplaced pride or even as a dying gasp of defiance to the world moving forward.

Whether they are mass produced or who commissions them is really not the point. The fact that some are emotionally attached to symbols of a fight to retain ownership of human beings as property is very creepy. And the fact that certain people identify with that cause, rather than reject it, is more to the point.

But the idea that they are "untouchable" as art or history is very questionable.

You suppose they are erecting monuments to Vlad the Impaler , so no one ever forgets the "good fight"?
Did you read my link?

They were mass-produced for both sides. The Union soldier looked just like the Confederate until the northern company changed it.

I just want the debate to be honest. This is the problem with the Left: even when they're correct about something (though I'm not necessarily saying they are here) they're so bat crap crazy most of the time everyone else has to run in the other direction as a reflex or out of instinct like an animal in the wild.

You do that long enough and you end up with that loon that's in the WH.

Those two time frames of when the statues were put up are actually one of your guys' stronger points.

That chart that blew across the screen in the OP's video, if it's accurate, could be a very educationall tool.

Hell, if it truly is the case (I'm not siding either way because I'm not taking one side's word for it) and we have these monuments going up in bulk at two distinct times without any other factors that's actually a case to leave them up and add on to them this revelation. Make the plaque interactive. Touch screen type of deal. It's 2017. Won't be racist to put up a touch screen would it?

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Old 08-19-2017, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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There is a good graphic at Politico showing the location of the more than 1500 Confederate commemorations and a map of the black population.

1,503 Confederate symbols*are on display across America.*Most are in the South. 179 are in majority black counties

And Vox has a good timeline showing when Confederate commemorations were erected:

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/...e-supremacists
Really eye opening. Propaganda in all forms, including statues.
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Old 08-19-2017, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Pyongjang
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There is a good graphic at Politico showing the location of the more than 1500 Confederate commemorations and a map of the black population.

1,503 Confederate symbols*are on display across America.*Most are in the South. 179 are in majority black counties

And Vox has a good timeline showing when Confederate commemorations were erected:

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/...e-supremacists
So you are saying statues should have participated in white flight too to get away from drugs and bad schools?
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Old 08-19-2017, 06:54 AM
 
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Of course, and naturally the vast majority of the symbols/statues are located in States that belonged to the confederacy and that also had the highest populations of black slaves.

All the more reason to get rid of them. There should be no symbols honoring forces that sought the enslavement and terrorization of black Americans.
why should they be "gotten rid of"? Do they hurt you?
Federal troops targeted civilians, they waged a war of terror. Are you okay with monuments to Sherman, Grant et al.?
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