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If you proclaimed that all lives matter and possess value, then you're probably not going to be marching with KKK and neo-Nazis in Charlottesville or wherever else - nor making excuses for them.
And if you're sufficiently unbiased from white supremacists, you will assign culpability of violence to both sides rather than making the implicit assumption that the white supremacists were all peaceful and only counter-protesters were violent meanies.
What precisely is that message of peace, love and tolerance?
If you hold a rally in favor of free speech, we will violently oppose you.
If you proclaim that all lives matter and possess value, we will call you a racist and violently oppose you.
With such a rich message overflowing with the sweet milk of human kindness, understanding and compassion, who wouldn't want to embrace it?
The only one who clearly doesn't get it is you. If the "Free Speech" people were smart, they'd do everything they can do distance themselves from the Nazis, Supremacists, Nationalists, etc. Because any message about pure free speech is welcome. The problem is that these rallies have attracted the aforementioned nut jobs and counter protesters have come out in opposition to their messages of hate- not to protest free speech. Everyone loves free speech.
The funny thing is that in Boston last weekend, the free speech folks actually DID distance themselves from the hate groups (very much so), and most of the neo-nazi sympathizers, supremacists, and nationalists who were scheduled to be there bailed before it began (because, you know, they're mostly internet tough guys and basement dwelling trash who can't actually put their money where their mouth is). Unfortunately for the free speech folks, they were about 50 strong with no amplifying equipment, etc. so they talked among themselves for 50 minutes and left without anyone hearing their message. Largely because other people came out and exercised their right to free speech.
the "all lives matter" thing is also another obnoxious deflection. Just like "free speech," of course all lives matter. The problem is that "all lives matter" has been tossed out as a counter to Black Lives Matter. It's used to be contradictory and contrarian and that's what makes people mad. If you held a 5k to raise money for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma, and I came with a group of people protesting and shouting at you that "ALL DISEASES MATTER!" You'd be pissed. And rightfully so. Not because all diseases don't matter (of course they do), but because you can still emphasize and focus on the one closest to your heart. That's why the "all lives matter" crap is so ridiculous. Of course they matter. But there are a lot of black people (and allies) who feel that they're not on a level playing field. Expressing that publicly is neither wrong, nor does it mean nobody else matters. And frankly if you can't understand that, you're stupid.
If you proclaimed that all lives matter and possess value, then you're probably not going to be marching with KKK and neo-Nazis in Charlottesville or wherever else - nor making excuses for them.
And if you're sufficiently unbiased from white supremacists, you will assign culpability of violence to both sides rather than making the implicit assumption that the white supremacists were all peaceful and only counter-protesters were violent meanies.
Or maybe you will do like the Civil Rights Commission did.
"The Commission dishonors its legacy by condemning violence only when it's committed by disfavored groups. By refusing to condemn Antifa's violence, the Commission's majority sanctions beatings and other violent conduct—provided it's politically correct."
What precisely is that message of peace, love and tolerance?
If you hold a rally in favor of free speech, we will violently oppose you.
If you proclaim that all lives matter and possess value, we will call you a racist and violently oppose you.
With such a rich message overflowing with the sweet milk of human kindness, understanding and compassion, who wouldn't want to embrace it?
Those that hold a rally and claim it is about free speech and then show up wearing Neo-Nazi Uniforms and chanting hate slogans, I doubt they would want to embrace it.
Those that hold a rally and claim it is about free speech and then show up wearing Neo-Nazi Uniforms and chanting hate slogans, I doubt they would want to embrace it.
Yes, the pitch that nazis and kluxers are champions of the 1st amendment is going to be a tough sell.
What precisely is that message of peace, love and tolerance?
If you hold a rally in favor of free speech, we will violently oppose you.
Thinly disguised ploy to justify hate speech. Why claim to be marching for freedom of speech when we already have it? The march is actually about glorifying hate and possibly even intimidating the community.
Remember, what freedom of speech is all about is that the government can not arrest you for spewing hateful nonsense. This also means that neighbors, friends and community are also free to speak out against hateful rhetoric.
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If you proclaim that all lives matter and possess value, we will call you a racist and violently oppose you.
All lives do matter. Police matter, firemen matter, consumers matter, taxpayers matter and all races matter. We already know this, don't we? This concept is at the root of our republic.
The term 'Black Lives Matter' is a recognition African Americans in many communities do not feel safe in the presence of police, who's purpose is public safety for all citizens. At best it would be carelessness on the part of law enforcement, a callous disregard for the dignity all people deserve. At worst it is a selective decision to treat a class of people differently from the rest, it would be murder.
Whatever the cause, we as a society are honor bound to correct the problem, not dismiss it.
This terminology 'all lives matter' is actually only adopted to blunt the message that black people have been unnecessarily killed too often by police who seem shoot first and ask questions later.
To be perfectly honest I think black Americans have a point, and saying something like 'all lives matter' in response is a dog whistle put-down repeated by people who either resent the black community standing up for themselves, or want to somehow shut them up.
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Originally Posted by bastion79
With such a rich message overflowing with the sweet milk of human kindness, understanding and compassion, who wouldn't want to embrace it?
Hate Speech = Speech in which the LEFT disagrees. It is OREWELLIAN.
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