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Old 08-20-2017, 02:54 PM
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Location: Middle Tennessee
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who ever said or believed we need or needed a business man as president? If people felt that way they would have elected a non politician years ago. I think some were saying having a business person will not hurt. and that really is true. Nothing Trump has done indicates otherwise. If you are hearing people say we need a businessman as president I have to wonder who you hang out with and what are they drinking or smoking?

As for needing a person that is a politician and not one with then MBA, you do realize many of our presidents have had MBAs don't you?

People voted for him because they wanted an outsider and really didn't care what the person's background was: they didn't Clinton and Trump knew how to convince people he was the one. Like him or not, he knew how to run a campaign.
You and I must exist in alternate universes. If I had a dollar for every time I've seen or heard "Trump will be/is a great president because he is a successful businessman" I could be retired to my mansion in Hawaii.
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Old 08-20-2017, 02:55 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Seems the premise of the thread is another attack on capitalism, and a big hoorah for communism.

For the brainwashed that believe a state run economy, with all economic and political power centralized with the politboro, is the way to go, I'd suggest a long hard look at some NON revisionist history of the Soviet union, Cuba, China, and most recently Venezuela. How did it work out for them? The result is going to be the same here.

Business (Capitalism) backed by the USCON is what made this country the exception in the world, that it still is, but we're losing it fast.


CN
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Old 08-20-2017, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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Voters at some point have to stop blaming the politicians, the media, the moon and the stars.

We choose to vote for these guys. If you vote for a career politician...then you are part of the problem.

Trying to fix it by electing someone who has no clue about most of the more critical issues makes no sense to me.
The problem with this is that we don't control who makes it onto the ballot. Money does. Which means corporations (thanks, Citizen's United) and the wealthy elite dictate whom our choices are. Like one of the other posters in this thread, I wrote in my vote. I don't think that's a solution, though, as there aren't enough people willing to let go of their "sides" to make enough of a difference.


I think one of the bigger reasons Trump won is that he wasn't "chosen". Hell, look how much regular old Republicans hate him. And regardless of what it seems on the surface, their dislike isn't because of his personality.
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Old 08-20-2017, 03:57 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I never understood why people believed that "we need a businessman in the White House."
Because politicians are, for the most part, useless. The only thing that Americans really care about is the economy and jobs.

This has been true for decades. And especially so ever since America became the unchallenged superpower over the whole world.
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Old 08-20-2017, 04:43 PM
 
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what's wrong in being a businessman? what was Obama's qualifications for President, Chicago community organizer?

you blame what happened in 200-2009 on just the private sector not the government?......the private sector is what moves the economy NOT the government.

and you think Hillary Clinton was a "wordly" woman? she has experience selling the country out to the highest bidder to foreigners but that's doesn't make it good for us.
Post something free of Rush Limbaugh platitudes, and I'll answer you.

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uhm,.... a country is a business

our government is a corporation
Nonsense. Wrong on both counts.

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being able to make hard decision based upon objective analysis and let's face it 'instinct'. that is why people do prefer a businessperson over a politician. Now whether a businessperson can get the business of government done with a gaggle of politicians whose primary interest is reelection, may be more the question.

Agree with above poster, #109. Government is one huge business. pure and simple. I had a property book of over $6 Billion dollars worth of equipment to manage, inventory, and care for and that was in the 80s. Those are big numbers and it takes a big staff to do that. My staff was 354 people. it was all about business.
Government is not a business enterprise. That's bull. There's no truth whatsoever to that assertion.

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You and I must exist in alternate universes. If I had a dollar for every time I've seen or heard "Trump will be/is a great president because he is a successful businessman" I could be retired to my mansion in Hawaii.
Yeah, she's got really convenient amnesia right about now. Probably because Trump is a dud.

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Seems the premise of the thread is another attack on capitalism, and a big hoorah for communism.

For the brainwashed that believe a state run economy, with all economic and political power centralized with the politboro, is the way to go, I'd suggest a long hard look at some NON revisionist history of the Soviet union, Cuba, China, and most recently Venezuela. How did it work out for them? The result is going to be the same here.

Business (Capitalism) backed by the USCON is what made this country the exception in the world, that it still is, but we're losing it fast.


CN
Maybe you should read my OP again.

Or don't. Nevermind.
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Because politicians are, for the most part, useless. The only thing that Americans really care about is the economy and jobs.

This has been true for decades. And especially so ever since America became the unchallenged superpower over the whole world.
Hmmmm...so you don't participate in elections then, right?
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Old 08-20-2017, 04:50 PM
 
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Thank you! It's always mystified me. It should be clear to anyone that being a CEO is very different from being president, and a country can't be run like a corporation. It's been said about both Trump and Tillerson that they appeared to be taken aback to find that they couldn't just issue orders as they had in business.

Trump, in particular, rose due to his own mythologizing. He bragged about how great he was, and some people were gullible enough to believe him. People who truly knew him well professionally saw that he lied, reneged on deals, and had no deep knowledge about much of anything, including the casino business. No true businessman wanted to deal with him. That's why he ended up with shady ties to Russia. You're right: he's not worldly, he's not cultured, he's not generally knowledgeable, he's not astute, and he's not even very bright. He just has a kind of animal shrewdness.
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Old 08-21-2017, 03:05 PM
 
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Thank you! It's always mystified me. It should be clear to anyone that being a CEO is very different from being president, and a country can't be run like a corporation. It's been said about both Trump and Tillerson that they appeared to be taken aback to find that they couldn't just issue orders as they had in business.

Trump, in particular, rose due to his own mythologizing. He bragged about how great he was, and some people were gullible enough to believe him. People who truly knew him well professionally saw that he lied, reneged on deals, and had no deep knowledge about much of anything, including the casino business. No true businessman wanted to deal with him. That's why he ended up with shady ties to Russia. You're right: he's not worldly, he's not cultured, he's not generally knowledgeable, he's not astute, and he's not even very bright. He just has a kind of animal shrewdness.
Yep. And now they're setting the stage to tell us that we should try this experiment again because well..."Trump wasn't the RIGHT businessman."

But nah...I ain't gonna fall for it.
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Out West
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Given what's happening right now, I thought this was a fair question.

Fact is, I never understood why people believed that "we need a businessman in the White House." The notion is ridiculous on its face. The job of a President is a job for a politician, not an MBA. It's the highest political job in the world. Why would anyone believe that someone with no political experience is necessarily qualified for that job?

Moreover, given the culture of American business at Trump's level (the culture of avarice at all costs), what's so appealing to people about American Businessmen? We saw what happened in 2008-2009 when they nearly ran the country completely off the rails, and yet, people think that these are the people that should be running the country?

Trump is something of a real estate savant....he never once showed that he had knowledge of any other topic. Why? Because he doesn't know anything else. He's got enough money to fly around the world, but he's not worldly by any stretch. Our president should be a worldly man or woman since they'd be the most powerful politician on the planet.

Yet, I STILL hear people saying that we need a businessman in office.
I'll answer that just as soon as someone on the left can answer why the hell we would need a community organizer with no experience sitting in that White House for two terms.

"He talks nice" is not a good reason to vote for someone.
"I like his pants" is not a good reason to vote for someone.
"He's black" is not a good reason to vote for someone.
"He seems so down to earth" (fools) is not a good reason to vote for someone.

These were all actual reasons people said that they were voting for him. I know, "waah, anecdotal evidence" I was a tour guide at the time. I got to hear so many peoples dumb reasons for voting for him. Everyone acted like he was the second coming of Jesus Christ. I heard enough. I've seen enough. Some came to their senses and came over to the intelligent side. Some continue to live with their mind virus.

Yes, this is "deflection" because I really don't want to hear any whining about Trump after 8 years of that useless pile of lying crap that so many idiots voted for not once, but twice. And still some think he was "like, the best president, evah!11!!" Roll eyes.
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:19 PM
 
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Richest, most powerful nation the world has EVER SEEN - YEAH, I call that SUCCESS.

Ken
We are successful in spite of who we elect not because of them. Our success has come from real hard working Americans not because we have a politician in the White House.
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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I would not be opposed to a businessman as President because the "politicians" of the past 16 years have truly effed up everything.
And yet, what good has Trump done so far?
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