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Old 08-21-2017, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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I'll answer that just as soon as someone on the left can answer why the hell we would need a community organizer with no experience sitting in that White House for two terms.

"He talks nice" is not a good reason to vote for someone.
"I like his pants" is not a good reason to vote for someone.
"He's black" is not a good reason to vote for someone.
"He seems so down to earth" (fools) is not a good reason to vote for someone.

These were all actual reasons people said that they were voting for him. I know, "waah, anecdotal evidence" I was a tour guide at the time. I got to hear so many peoples dumb reasons for voting for him. Everyone acted like he was the second coming of Jesus Christ. I heard enough. I've seen enough. Some came to their senses and came over to the intelligent side. Some continue to live with their mind virus.

Yes, this is "deflection" because I really don't want to hear any whining about Trump after 8 years of that useless pile of lying crap that so many idiots voted for not once, but twice. And still some think he was "like, the best president, evah!11!!" Roll eyes.
He was a state senator and then US Senator before being elected president, so at least Obama had held political office, The Cheeto never has!
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:39 PM
 
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I'll answer that just as soon as someone on the left can answer why the hell we would need a community organizer with no experience sitting in that White House for two terms.

"He talks nice" is not a good reason to vote for someone.
"I like his pants" is not a good reason to vote for someone.
"He's black" is not a good reason to vote for someone.
"He seems so down to earth" (fools) is not a good reason to vote for someone.

These were all actual reasons people said that they were voting for him. I know, "waah, anecdotal evidence" I was a tour guide at the time. I got to hear so many peoples dumb reasons for voting for him. Everyone acted like he was the second coming of Jesus Christ. I heard enough. I've seen enough. Some came to their senses and came over to the intelligent side. Some continue to live with their mind virus.

Yes, this is "deflection" because I really don't want to hear any whining about Trump after 8 years of that useless pile of lying crap that so many idiots voted for not once, but twice. And still some think he was "like, the best president, evah!11!!" Roll eyes.
Obama won. Twice. And was quite effective. After all, your guy can't even get rid of his signature legislation. Two of his other great accomplishments was keeping Romney and McCain away from the White House.

The intelligent side? You mean the side of Trump voters is the intelligent side? Surely you jest. Is Trump intelligent? Tell us!

LMAO...why don't you tell us why you REALLY hate Obama?
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:40 PM
 
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Thank you! It's always mystified me. It should be clear to anyone that being a CEO is very different from being president, and a country can't be run like a corporation. It's been said about both Trump and Tillerson that they appeared to be taken aback to find that they couldn't just issue orders as they had in business.

Trump, in particular, rose due to his own mythologizing. He bragged about how great he was, and some people were gullible enough to believe him. People who truly knew him well professionally saw that he lied, reneged on deals, and had no deep knowledge about much of anything, including the casino business. No true businessman wanted to deal with him. That's why he ended up with shady ties to Russia. You're right: he's not worldly, he's not cultured, he's not generally knowledgeable, he's not astute, and he's not even very bright. He just has a kind of animal shrewdness.


He is "shrewd enough" to have accomplished all of this in 200 days - while under constant attack from the Political Elite Right and the Leftists in the Media and Congress. I don't want a "consoler in chief", I don't want somebody to constantly tell me what MY morals should be and what our Country should be.

I just want somebody who will enforce Law & Order, bring back some jobs, grow our GDP & Economy and clean out some of the Corruption that has strangled Washington D.C. for many decades.

He has made a decent start ....... Not that the Media is reporting most of it.
The Mass Hysterical Bubble has consumed nearly have the public and ALL the Leftists.
How To Know You’re In a Mass Hysteria Bubble |Dilbert/Scott Adams

JOBS and the Economy are more important that what Leftist Media promotes on TV constantly. They don't talk about the gains in just 200 days - BUT, that does not mean they haven't occurred. President Trump hoped for a 4% GDP in the first year of his term - he got it in 200 days with his massive push for USA Exports and deregulation that has strangled our growth for years.

Remember this?

Trump promises 4% growth. Economists say no way. |CNN Money - October 2016
Donald Trump has a big promise for the U.S. economy: 4% growth.
No chance, say 11 economists surveyed by CNNMoney. And a paper published Tuesday by the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco backs them up.
"No, pigs do not fly," says Robert Brusca, senior economist at FAO Economics, a research firm. "Donald Trump is dreaming."

The Republican presidential nominee made the promise in a speech in New York in September. "I believe it's time to establish a national goal of reaching 4% economic growth," he said.
Since the Great Recession, growth has averaged 2%. Brusca and the other economists surveyed say that 4% growth is impossible, or at least highly unlikely.


Well Lookie-Lookie ..... Atlanta Fed estimates U.S. third-quarter GDP growing at 4.0 percent |Reuters - August 2017

And how about that the Stock Market would crash when Trump was elected??
It's been at all time highs almost daily since the election.

How about that there was no way that Coal Jobs could be "saved" - the Leftist Pundits and Politicians said that would never happen.

And Yet - Coal production in the USA is up 15% and Coal Exports are up 58%.
How about that the job rate for teens is the highest since 1969 & that the unemployment rate has continued to fall ..... even when those famous Economists at CNN said that couldn't happen.


Bottom Line - Jobs & the Economy are what is important to most people, not the Mass Hysteria of the Leftists.
"Make America Work again, Make America Strong again, Make America Great again" - is a PLAN
"Hate Trump" is all Hillary Clinton had, it's all the Leftist Media and the Democrats have. It's why they lost.
It's why they will continue to LOSE.
Totally Out of Touch with the American People who are FED-UP with typical Politicians.
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Given what's happening right now, I thought this was a fair question.

Fact is, I never understood why people believed that "we need a businessman in the White House." The notion is ridiculous on its face. The job of a President is a job for a politician, not an MBA. It's the highest political job in the world. Why would anyone believe that someone with no political experience is necessarily qualified for that job?

Moreover, given the culture of American business at Trump's level (the culture of avarice at all costs), what's so appealing to people about American Businessmen? We saw what happened in 2008-2009 when they nearly ran the country completely off the rails, and yet, people think that these are the people that should be running the country?

Trump is something of a real estate savant....he never once showed that he had knowledge of any other topic. Why? Because he doesn't know anything else. He's got enough money to fly around the world, but he's not worldly by any stretch. Our president should be a worldly man or woman since they'd be the most powerful politician on the planet.

Yet, I STILL hear people saying that we need a businessman in office.

You have hit the nail on the head on a lot of points. Their logic is that a man who runs a big company can handle running America the same way........jobs, economy, and staffing. However, America is not like Walmart, it takes a lot more than business experience and savvy to handle the many problems our President must solve every day of the week.

Secondly, you are right............they hired a businessman, but not a GOOD businessman. The only thing he ever did was real estate (and that stupid little reality show), and does not have the education, experience, or intelligence to handle this larger job.

There are successful CEO's all over the country who make Trump look like he should be shining shoes. He is a piker in the world of successful businessmen, there are people who make his "riches" look like chump change, and they have the qualifications to back it up.......he does not.
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Dangling from a mooses antlers
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Obama won. Twice. And was quite effective. After all, your guy can't even get rid of his signature legislation. Two of his other great accomplishments was keeping Romney and McCain away from the White House.

The intelligent side? You mean the side of Trump voters is the intelligent side? Surely you jest. Is Trump intelligent? Tell us!

LMAO...why don't you tell us why you REALLY hate Obama?
Obama's only accomplishment was dividing the country along racial and economic lines. That is his legacy.
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Obama's only accomplishment was dividing the country along racial and economic lines. That is his legacy.

And you are as blind as a bat, or you simply do not want to admit the truth.
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:53 PM
 
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I'll answer that just as soon as someone on the left can answer why the hell we would need a community organizer with no experience sitting in that White House for two terms.
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Obama's performance as President aside (I have no issue with opinions differing on that, all presidents have detractors and cheerleaders) the whole "community organizer" trope has to be one of the WEIRDEST talking points ever. It makes zero sense.

Dude was a community organizer shortly after undergrad. Between that and becoming President, he graduated manga c*m laude from Harvard Law, taught constitutional law at another elite school for a long time, was a State Senator in a large diverse state for 8 YEARS, then a US Senator. If he knew anything, it was law and policy-making, which is what the job entails. Not to mention his lowly community organizer experience was how he built one of the most effective grassroots campaign apparatuses ever seen. He knew exactly how to mobilize the vote... Twice!.... because of that community organizing experience.

What he didn't have was foreign policy experience. Using that to bash I could understand. But ignoring all the law/government experience to only focus on the post college community organizing is asinine.
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Old 08-21-2017, 05:07 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Because we are around 20 trillion in debt and getting worse, our infrastructure continues to crumble, the economy is artificially being held up by the Fed... we needed a business man to save our economy and get things done (politicians cant, how many decades have we been promised the same things). Trump's executive order on environmental reviews was worth voting for him just on that alone in my opinion. Instead of 10+ years and millions of legal fees, development can happen in just two years and developers don't have to go around and around and around and around making the project so expensive, they back out.
What is the job/function of a business man?

a.) To help people, keep the national debt low, stop corruption in government, and create laws that help America.
b.) Make money for himself and his family.


Donald Trump wants to do the following as President,

Enact tax cuts that will increase his personal after-tax income by 14.2% (while increasing the after-tax income of workers by 0.8%)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetno.../#5f0623865b9d

Give his family $7 billion dollars by abolishing the Estate Tax (a tax that only effects the richest 0.2% of Americans.)
Trump

Give his personal business network $1 trillion dollars in tax cuts and government subsidies.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2...structure-scam

And Trumps tax cuts for himself and his business network will add $20.7 trillion dollars to our national debt in the next 20 years.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway.../#131192d96554

And to make up for lost revenues from tax cuts and subsidies Trump wants to cut Social Security Disability benefits and cut government programs for the poor.
The Trump budget cuts Social Security, plain and simple | TheHill
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/22/u...dget-cuts.html


What is (business man) Donald Trump trying to do in Washington?

a.) To help people, keep the national debt low, stop corruption in government, and create laws that help America.
b.) Make money for himself and his family.

Last edited by chad3; 08-21-2017 at 05:29 PM..
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Old 08-21-2017, 06:29 PM
 
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Obama's only accomplishment was dividing the country along racial and economic lines. That is his legacy.
Speak for yourself. I don't see the racial divisions any different than I saw them in 2008.

If you do, then you're probably part of the problem.
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Old 08-21-2017, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Originally Posted by chad3 View Post
What is the job/function of a business man?

a.) To help people, keep the national debt low, stop corruption in government, and create laws that help America.
b.) Make money for himself and his family.


Donald Trump wants to do the following as President,

Enact tax cuts that will increase his personal after-tax income by 14.2% (while increasing the after-tax income of workers by 0.8%)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetno.../#5f0623865b9d

Give his family $7 billion dollars by abolishing the Estate Tax (a tax that only effects the richest 0.2% of Americans.)
Trump

Give his personal business network $1 trillion dollars in tax cuts and government subsidies.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2...structure-scam

And Trumps tax cuts for himself and his business network will add $20.7 trillion dollars to our national debt in the next 20 years.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway.../#131192d96554

And to make up for lost revenues from tax cuts and subsidies Trump wants to cut Social Security Disability benefits and cut government programs for the poor.
The Trump budget cuts Social Security, plain and simple | TheHill
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/22/u...dget-cuts.html


What is (business man) Donald Trump trying to do in Washington?

a.) To help people, keep the national debt low, stop corruption in government, and create laws that help America.
b.) Make money for himself and his family.

I'll take door B .
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