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Old 08-20-2017, 11:07 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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You may be too young to remember, or perhaps were not interested at the time ...

When the south was primarily controlled by Democrats their congressmen and senators often collaborated with Republicans on legislation concerned with social issues. Southern Democrats were very conservative, and opposed civil rights legislation. Their often common nemesis was the northern Democrats.

It is interesting to note that the Republican party was the comfortable home to liberals and progressives for generations, since the days of the abolitionists and many decades afterward. Not any more.
Yeah, things change. Parties evolve and positions swing. I live in rural Cochise County in SE Arizona - where the town of Tombstone is a major draw and I'm always having to explain to folks that the whole Wyatt Earp deal down here had a major political component to it that is never covered in the movies. In short, the original settlers of this area were strong Democrats who favored their independence and freedom from the Federal government. As the area began to be developed "big government" Republicans moved in with plans to "civilize" the area. The Cowboys were the earlier folks (Democrats) while the Earps were the latter (Republicans) and so the conflict between them had not just a personal aspect to it, but a wider political one as well. It was part of a power struggle over the future of Cochise County. This is why - while the Earps were being sought by Cochise County Sheriff Behan (Democrat) on murder charges, Wyatt ended up a U.S. Marshall (Republican). The Federal government (Republican) was essentially backing one side (the Earps) while the local Democrat government was backing Behan and the Cowboys. The Tombstone Epitaph was a Republican newspaper and supported the Earps while the competing Democratic paper portrayed them as the villains.

It's a very interesting and complicated tale, with much more "meat" to it than is portrayed in the movies.

Ken

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Old 08-20-2017, 11:18 AM
 
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Was FDR also part of this? The Democrats now days love referencing FDR, but was he really a present day Republican?
Some people think Franklin Delano Roosevelt literally saved the capitalist system with his reforms. We had just come from a Republican laissez-faire administration during which the country was falling apart from the Wall Street crash. Vote totals for communist politicians were accelerating and many of the common people were becoming agitated and seriously considering the unthinkable.

FDR was willing to try a lot of things to put bread on the table of ordinary Americans, some of which ideas were shot down by the Supreme Court.

In the beginning they actually sent trucks out to farms and loaded up on surplus produce the farmers could not get to market, and passed it out for free on the streets of cities. People were desperate, and they saw this as a government that cared about them. Of course, shopkeepers could not have been pleased.

He established the WPA [Works Projects Administration] and Social Security. He established the CCC [Civilian Conservation Corps].

Under his watch the FDIC was created, to restore public confidence in the banks.

Larger areas of Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi and Alabama could not be electrified because the business community would not invest in those areas. FDR had the federal government step in and initiated the Tennessee Valley Authority, which brought electric power for the first time to those impoverished areas.

Many of the programs initiated under FDR were straight out of the socialist playbook. FDR was himself a wealthy man from an old blue blood family, but he was regarded as a traitor to his class by other wealthy people.

He took practical steps to save his countrymen from starvation, and to save the republic from overthrow.

No, he would not be a Republican today.
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Old 08-20-2017, 11:25 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Some people think Franklin Delano Roosevelt literally saved the capitalist system with his reforms. We had just come from a Republican laissez-faire administration during which the country was falling apart from the Wall Street crash. Vote totals for communist politicians were accelerating and many of the common people were becoming agitated and seriously considering the unthinkable.

FDR was willing to try a lot of things to put bread on the table of ordinary Americans, some of which ideas were shot down by the Supreme Court.

In the beginning they actually sent trucks out to farms and loaded up on surplus produce the farmers could not get to market, and passed it out for free on the streets of cities. People were desperate, and they saw this as a government that cared about them. Of course, shopkeepers could not have been pleased.

He established the WPA [Works Projects Administration] and Social Security. He established the CCC [Civilian Conservation Corps].

Under his watch the FDIC was created, to restore public confidence in the banks.

Larger areas of Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi and Alabama could not be electrified because the business community would not invest in those areas. FDR had the federal government step in and initiated the Tennessee Valley Authority, which brought electric power for the first time to those impoverished areas.

Many of the programs initiated under FDR were straight out of the socialist playbook. FDR was himself a wealthy man from an old blue blood family, but he was regarded as a traitor to his class by other wealthy people.

He took practical steps to save his countrymen from starvation, and to save the republic from overthrow.

No, he would not be a Republican today.
Correct - and neither would Teddy Roosevelt (who actually was a Republican).

Ken
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Old 08-20-2017, 11:38 AM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIy1peoFCGY
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Old 08-20-2017, 11:39 AM
 
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Correct - and neither would Teddy Roosevelt (who actually was a Republican).

Ken
I agree.
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Old 08-20-2017, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Did I miss the memo? I was unaware that there was a competition to see who can make the stupidest ****ing thread?

That's a shame. While I don't like doing it, I'm confident I have the ability to make the same exact thread with slightly different words as a technicality.

Seriously. This tired old question is beyond stupid.
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Old 08-20-2017, 11:46 AM
 
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That would be tough to do - assuming you are even slightly educated.

First, the country was founded without political parties. Secondly, Jefferson and Madison started this party, who the Slaveholder and Murderer Andrew Jackson belonged to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democr...publican_Party

The Democratic-Republican Party!

So your brilliant post here is the work of the uneducated that Trump loves...once against.

I don't want to abolish any political parties - but would prefer they didn't play as big a role in our thinking and politics. That said, the GOP is the part of Big Business and of the White Man (statistically). It is the "un-diverse" party which has many leaders who abhor the melting pot we call America.

"since the mid-1990s whites have been more likely to self-identify as Republicans than Democrats"
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Studied history? Conservatives are proudly anti-intellectual. You can tell by every moronic post made by the lot of them on this site.
"Once against"? Huh? And all liberals are highly educated? Seriously? Are you telling us that that all those welfare recipients who vote straight "D" are highly educated? All those illegals that liberals love and want to amnesty are highly educated?

Conservatives "are proudly anti-intellectual"? And, in your mind, all liberals are intellectuals? Wow! Who knew that all those welfare recipients who vote straight "D" are intellectuals, as are all those illegals libs can't wait to amnesty are also intellectuals.

Oh...the irony.
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Old 08-20-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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Nothing has changed but their tactics. The Democrats have always been about keeping the minorities down. Back then it was slavery, after that Jim Crow laws. Now it's welfare and food stamps.
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Old 08-21-2017, 05:16 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Correct - and neither would Teddy Roosevelt (who actually was a Republican).

Ken
Teddy would not have been a Republican today, I agree: FDR would be a moderate Republican or certainly would never had approved of the now Democratic party. It isn't the party he was part of, that is for sure.
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